My First "Forest"

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My First "Forest"

Postby Raging Bull » December 7th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Hi All,
Last January I found that some Japanese Sacred Bamboo growing around my little water feature in the garden had self-sown and germinated a few babies. I dug them up and planted them in a large black plastic pot to see how the would do, and was rewarded.
So today I decided they were attractive enough to put into a pot. I've had a piece of shale lying around for a while so I incorporated that into the planting as well. There is plenty of moss growing around the little water feature which also has a small waterfall on a timer, keeping the micro ecosystem damp and humid. Some of this moss was also used, though in the past I have found it dies off a bit before re-growing after being peeled off the rocks.
The result is the small group planting in these pics. It's my first attempt at a group planting and would appreciate any comments that would help me improve my next one. I'm aware that the pot is very deep for the size of the trees, but I used this pot deliberately to facilitate watering. I'm a bonsai grower, but I also have other interests which means sometimes the pots not on the bonsai shelf do not get watered as regularly as they should :whistle: and the deeper pots buffer my watering inconsistency somewhat.
Growing in the moss is a very small seedling from a tree I planted years ago , can't remember the name, but it's a native. this prompts the question why do we not see group plantings of mixed species in bonsai? :lost:
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby Keep Calm and Ramify » December 9th, 2017, 4:06 pm

Hi Frank,
As to date - 170 views & no comments from anyone so far???

The title of your post has made me think back to when I started my first "forest" or group planting.
I was going to make a trident maple group. I had bought a number of small starters & planted them in a huge deep pot - all evenly spaced, all the same age, all the same size. That was in 2004. I have a pic below which shows the "humble" beginnings. :palm:
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Over time I learnt by researching & viewing lots of other peoples group plantings, that a more convincing looking group would need some variation in heights, trunk thicknesses, & planting placements. These are the aspects that you should consider for this planting, or any future ones you may undertake. There are a lot more in depth conversations & advice on these aspects in previous topics posted, if you do a search on "forest or group" plantings.

I am not sure why mixed species are regarded as a no-no in group settings, but maybe someone else from the community could shed some light on this?

Below are a few recent pics of what was my "First forest" - luckily its still alive!!
trident group 2017.jpg

trident2.jpg

trident side2.jpg


Is there anyone else willing to share thoughts, or upload some early pics of their "first forest" so we may all continue to learn :?:
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby treeman » December 9th, 2017, 4:35 pm

Here's my first forest. It's not much but I like it. :shifty:

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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby AirControl » December 9th, 2017, 5:08 pm

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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby Keep Calm and Ramify » December 9th, 2017, 5:33 pm

treeman wrote:Here's my first forest. It's not much but I like it. :shifty:

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Wow! - Mr Treeman,
Could you please show us a side view of your first forest, so we can all learn from your trunk positioning?
Maybe even a nice close up shot from the side (as well as the top view?)
This would be most beneficial for the creator of this post & myself.
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby delisea » December 9th, 2017, 5:36 pm

Try looking up the rule of thirds it work well for bonsai group plantings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thirds#frb-inline
The Japanese talk about 5/8ths but it is the same difference.
The trees that Treeman posted are technically amazing, but I find that they are too centered and symmetrical.
walterpalls forest.jpg
This is from Walter Pall, less refined but I find them more satisfying, than Treeman's post.

For the nandina I would plant them closer together let them grow for a year and see if some variation in size happens naturally.

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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby treeman » December 9th, 2017, 5:58 pm

Keep Calm and Ramify wrote:
treeman wrote:Here's my first forest. It's not much but I like it. :shifty:

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Wow! - Mr Treeman,
Could you please show us a side view of your first forest, so we can all learn from your trunk positioning?
Maybe even a nice close up shot from the side (as well as the top view?)
This would be most beneficial for the creator of this post & myself.


Well I would love to of course but unfortunately a meteorite landed right on top of it last night so I had to throw it on the fire because it was completely destroyed. Oh wait, no I sold it. That's right I sold it. The guy who bought it is a very private man so.....
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby Raging Bull » December 9th, 2017, 6:07 pm

Thank you for the replies. Yes I thought for a couple of days that I had planted a perfect forest and no-one could think of any improvements. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Seriously, yes I will try to change the sizes by pruning a little. Unfortunately I had only five trees to work with and I did want some practice planting a forest. In winter I bought a bunch of tridents from shibui and planted them in a couple of foam boxes. The aim is to plant the best selection of those as a group. They are doing very well in their grow boxes, getting some nice trunks and are also of varying sizes. So next winter they will be lifted and put into a nice pot as a group. In the meantime I'll do as has been suggested and research group plantings a little more. :reading:
Thanks all for you advice, Frank
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby Keep Calm and Ramify » December 9th, 2017, 6:12 pm

treeman wrote:
Keep Calm and Ramify wrote:
treeman wrote:Here's my first forest. It's not much but I like it. :shifty:

fpe.JPG



Wow! - Mr Treeman,
Could you please show us a side view of your first forest, so we can all learn from your trunk positioning?
Maybe even a nice close up shot from the side (as well as the top view?)
This would be most beneficial for the creator of this post & myself.


Well I would love to of course but unfortunately a meteorite landed right on top of it last night so I had to throw it on the fire because it was completely destroyed. Oh wait, no I sold it. That's right I sold it. The guy who bought it is a very private man so.....



Wait a minute......... people actually pay you money for your trees? :shock:
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Re: My First "Forest"

Postby delisea » December 9th, 2017, 7:40 pm

I believe a Mr Kokufu bought Treeman's forest planting. Was it back in 2014?
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