Re: DON'T open this post if you think bonsai isn't art.
Posted: August 27th, 2017, 8:00 am
Isn't it Pollock... Not Pollack?? (just so I know I'm thinking of the same artist...)
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Yep sorry, typo.Ryceman3 wrote:Isn't it Pollock... Not Pollack?? (just so I know I'm thinking of the same artist...)
That's not my definition, that's oxford dictionary's.treeman wrote:.benbonsai wrote:
The definition of art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination
So making a cup of coffee and adding some salt to it and serving it in a cassette case does those things. Am I doing art now? By your definition, yes!
Where do you draw the Line? Is there a line?
We come down to the contention that everything we do is art and to me, ''art'' then no longer has any meaning. It's just ''living''.
That statement is really dispiriting.treeman wrote:="Rory"]No creativity involved so far.
The way I see it Symon is that Pollock was concerned only with technique and the subsequent manifestation of form that would result from that technique. His ''paintings'' were a display of technique. When you swing a dripping can of paint over a canvas for example you have no idea what will result. That is purely a question of physics. Do it for long enough you will start to see form. That kind of technique as any other is developed by practice. In good art you need more that just technique. I will continue to regard him as having very limited artistic skill. The fact that computer analysis discovered natural naturally occurring rhythms in his work is neither surprizing nor of any great consequence as far as I'm concerned. To me, Jackson Pollock will always be a disturbed drunken hack.delisea wrote:Oh Treeman, really? It all becomes clear. If you have genuinely looked at his work and cannot see what the fuss is about I now know why you see bonsai as a craft. All of our brains work differently, and you may honestly see things differently.treeman wrote:Pollack was the biggest joke ever to pick up paint. Lee krasner basically told him what to ''paint'' and how to sell it. There is no such thing as a ''drip'' painting. It's just drips of paint.
If anyone is interested in why Jackson Pollack was in fact distilling the essence of landscapes/trees read this.
http://authenticationinart.org/pdf/lite ... -Chaos.pdf
Cheers,
Symon
="Nate.bonsai"
Well I don't know about that Nate., I can't say for certain that I personally know anyone who is more passionate or who get more pleasure from growing bonsai than me. Even though I know there is. I just find it irritating when I see articles which state things like ''this artist did this or the artist did that'' when I know perfectly well how they did what they did and the reason behind it. I would prefer the term craftsman. But I'll get over it...BUT, if I shared your view, I would immediately stop doing bonsai.
I'm sure you have read the words ''creation pruning'' in your mags. It refers to the act of pruning away unwanted branches to form the tree's basic structure. It is an indispensable technique we all need to do but you don't need to be ''creative'' to do it. You just follow best practice.But, I practice art - I am just not very good at it, but I enjoy approaching bonsai from a creative and artistic viewpoint.
Yes that is one of my favourite trees of all time.delisea wrote:I think Alpinecraft it on the head - as long as we are having fun all is good. I personally call it a sport.
Treeman, I'm sorry you don't get Pollock, but many find abstraction difficult and that is OK.
I'll cap this one off with a nice tree - only a exceptional craftsman could create a piece of art like this.
Cheers, Symon
Leo Tolstoy
Art is not, as the metaphysicians say, the manifestation of some mysterious idea of beauty or God; it is not, as the aesthetical physiologists say, a game in which man lets off his excess of stored-up energy; it is not the expression of man's emotions by external signs; it is not the production of pleasing objects; and, above all, it is not pleasure; but it is a means of union among men, joining them together in the same feelings, and indispensable for the life and progress toward well-being of individuals and of humanity.
Or maybe I dont know you well enough yetOscar Wilde in The Soul of Man Under Socialism:
"Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known."
Hi Mattbunce wrote:I found something I think might fall more in-line with what you might like Mike:
Or maybe I dont know you well enough yetOscar Wilde in The Soul of Man Under Socialism:
"Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known."
Matt
How the artist... no, sorry; craftsman got there would be the individual thingtreeman wrote:Hi Mattbunce wrote:I found something I think might fall more in-line with what you might like Mike:
Or maybe I don't know you well enough yetOscar Wilde in The Soul of Man Under Socialism:
"Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known."
Matt
This is one of my favourite sayings regarding art. It is simple and to the point. Now with this quote in mind, have another look at bonsai.
There are great bonsai and crappy bonsai and everything in between but none of that necessarily makes them intensely individual.