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Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 22nd, 2014, 12:24 pm
by JaseH
I aquired a little shohin prunus earlier in the year in a bundle with some other pre-bonsai. Not sure exactly what type, I think the original owner mentioned it may be a cherry of some description. Anyhow it was pretty sad when I got it, looked to have copped a bit of sun over summer and had been burnt with some die back. I've given it a bit of TLC to see to if it would pull through and its starting to now show some buds developing which is encouraging.

I'd like to repot it into a more free draining mix as I feel the current soil stays damp for too long and I'm worried about root health. I am not sure when it was repotted last, its definitely not root bound and besides the mix staying to wet it doesnt look in dire need of a repot. Would the tree recover better if I repot now into a better mix or should I not disturb it and let it recover another year in the damp mix?

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 22nd, 2014, 1:16 pm
by kcpoole
if there is something wrong with the mix, then i will fix that at the first opportunity.
if weak just avoid cutting any of them

Ken

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 22nd, 2014, 4:27 pm
by treeman
You should repot them every year anyway so you may as well take the opportunity to work on the roots etc.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 22nd, 2014, 5:12 pm
by milly.abrahams
You say its starting to bud. If so, its the ideal time to repot.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 22nd, 2014, 8:01 pm
by JaseH
Thanks guys, I thought as much. I'll re-pot - been wondering what the roots are like in the current mix, it doesnt feel very well anchored in the pot.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 9:06 am
by JaseH
Here's the little sucker in question!

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At the last club meeting there was some discussion about moss and other grasses etc growing in the pots, being good and bad - anyone know what's growing in this pot? I have it in a few of my pots and like the look of it but it is spreading quickly in a few of them.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 9:27 am
by bonsaisensation
Hi Jason
They are star weeds, one of the worst kind. Their roots will fill up the pot and block the drainage holes. I usually spray them with round up to kill them, roots and all.

Regards
Tien

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 9:40 am
by JaseH
Thanks Tien, I was afraid it would be one of the bad kinds! I'll set about erradicating it from my pots.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 10:57 am
by treeman
JaseH wrote:Here's the little sucker in question!

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At the last club meeting there was some discussion about moss and other grasses etc growing in the pots, being good and bad - anyone know what's growing in this pot? I have it in a few of my pots and like the look of it but it is spreading quickly in a few of them.
The tree is in a weak state of health. My guess is it has some of it's roots are dieing off. I recommend taking it out, washing the roots well, prune back the roots to live tissue, prune the banches back hard to a live bud and repot in to pot just big enough to hold the roots in a very sandy mix.

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 11:20 am
by kcpoole
Repot as Treeman says and rake the weeds out at the same time.
I carefully spray mine with roundup as it will only kill via absorption thru the leaves.

Ken

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 11:30 am
by JaseH
Yes I think the roots could be a problem, it doesnt feel well rooted in the pot at all. I've tried to not water it through winter due to the mix staying too wet but I cant stop the rain unfortunately!

So I assume it is safe to trim back hard with the tree in its current state of health? My normal mix is usually majority sifted pine bark nuggets & diatomite with a smaller percentage of zeolite and growstone(pumice). Will this suffice to nurse this sick little guy back to health or should I use an actual coarse sand?

I might paint some roundup on the star weed with a small brush, I dont trust my accuracy with a spray bottle!

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 11:57 am
by treeman
JaseH wrote:Yes I think the roots could be a problem, it doesnt feel well rooted in the pot at all. I've tried to not water it through winter due to the mix staying too wet but I cant stop the rain unfortunately!

So I assume it is safe to trim back hard with the tree in its current state of health? My normal mix is usually majority sifted pine bark nuggets & diatomite with a smaller percentage of zeolite and growstone(pumice). Will this suffice to nurse this sick little guy back to health or should I use an actual coarse sand?

I might paint some roundup on the star weed with a small brush, I dont trust my accuracy with a spray bottle!
Yes prune. But the pot is too big and the roots won't respond well. Just put it in a shallow plasic pot for year with about 20mm room for the roots all round. Your mix is ok but I would add a little peat or something to hold water over summer.
Make sure you keep it in full sun except for really hot days

Good luck

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 4:14 pm
by kcpoole
treeman wrote:Your mix is ok but I would add a little peat or something to hold water over summer.

Good luck
As one who has no organics in my mix, this is unnecessary :imo: but use whatever mix you are comfortable with and have experience in your own environment.

Ken

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 4:58 pm
by Isitangus
Spray that star weed with aerogaurd rather than roundup

Re: Recovering Prunus - repot or not?

Posted: July 23rd, 2014, 5:11 pm
by treeman
Isitangus wrote:Spray that star weed with aerogaurd rather than roundup
That's a good tip!