Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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I bought these from two different local nurseries. I've replanted both in larger pots and thinking of styles that would compliment each tree.

Image I gave the roots on this one a light cut back as they look quite nice as they were.

Image The roots on the Silver Birch were an absolute mess. I gave this more a more rigorous cut back, but I think I'll have to revisit this one after a bit more reading up on cutting and training the roots.

After re-potting I gave them a drink of seasol and liquid fertiliser. Would wiring and cutting back be recommended at this stage?

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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Leave them recover for a year.

Mauro Stemberger summed it up good - you can't do head surgery and heart surgery at the same time and expect to live.

Avoid fertiliser for a few weeks -

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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Both these have soft bark that can scare quickly from wiring over growing period Spring/Summer.
I would wire Autumn over Winter and remove wire before Spring. Generally if you want to wire and repot trees at the same time, put wire on trees before repotting. Then repot that way you don't disturb any new roots. Just make sure to watch the wire cutting in. Except when working with Pines. Then choose repot or wire not both. If you do a large repot removing alot of roots from a Pine leave two years before wiring.
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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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KIRKY wrote:Both these have soft bark that can scare quickly from wiring over growing period Spring/Summer.
I would wire Autumn over Winter and remove wire before Spring. Generally if you want to wire and repot trees at the same time, put wire on trees before repotting. Then repot that way you don't disturb any new roots. Just make sure to watch the wire cutting in. Except when working with Pines. Then choose repot or wire not both. If you do a large repot removing alot of roots from a Pine leave two years before wiring.
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I've read that it is useful to cut the leaves off at the top of the stem at around mid-summer to encourage smaller leaf growth, would this still be recommended with my trees?

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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quodlibet_ens wrote:
KIRKY wrote:Both these have soft bark that can scare quickly from wiring over growing period Spring/Summer.
I would wire Autumn over Winter and remove wire before Spring. Generally if you want to wire and repot trees at the same time, put wire on trees before repotting. Then repot that way you don't disturb any new roots. Just make sure to watch the wire cutting in. Except when working with Pines. Then choose repot or wire not both. If you do a large repot removing alot of roots from a Pine leave two years before wiring.
Cheers
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I've read that it is useful to cut the leaves off at the top of the stem at around mid-summer to encourage smaller leaf growth, would this still be recommended with my trees?

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Not yet.
Leaf reduction is a concern with trees that have been finished in the design and development and are ready to display. It will only setback the development if you try now

Being Deciduous you can cut back and root prune at the same time. we do so to develop taper and movement in developing our stock and some people have a final design in mind when doing so,

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Great information, Ken, cheers!!

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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quodlibet, There ARE no styles suited to these trees. You have to CREATE them.

It is very important when working with, buying, or even considering any material for future bonsai development that we have a firm idea what we want to achieve, and that we have a good idea how that will be achieved.

There are 2 options with young raw material like this. The first one is to do nothing and just let them grow and come back later.
The second is to start working on it now.
If we choose option 2, we need to realise that 95% of the material is useless to our needs. It's important to remember that what primarily makes a bonsai is the act of removal of the unneeded. Cutting MAKES bonsai!
Wiring, trimming, leaf removal or any other such techniques are for the future not for now.

So what is unneeded here?
rjm1.PNG
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This step #1 for option #2.
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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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check out this thread on how to create taper in a trunk
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8312

it is a long term task, but important. this is what Treeman is referring to in his suggestion.
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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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treeman wrote: It is very important when working with, buying, or even considering any material for future bonsai development that we have a firm idea what we want to achieve, and that we have a good idea how that will be achieved.
I needed this quote emblazoned on my face 20 years ago! But back then I still wouldn't have understood what it meant. To be honest with yourself is the hardest part. Admitting you may have bought a lemon is integral to learning as well, as we have all done it. Asking for help and admitting you made mistakes is easy for some, but harder for others. If you can listen instead of talk, when asking an experienced and talented bonsai grower then you are going to learn the right way. But at the end of the day, patience and persistence is how I am still learning. I prefer to only take advice from those with great material. Never believe you are great at bonsai or you will stop learning.
treeman wrote: There are 2 options with young raw material like this. The first one is to do nothing and just let them grow and come back later.
The second is to start working on it now.
If we choose option 2, we need to realise that 95% of the material is useless to our needs. It's important to remember that what primarily makes a bonsai is the act of removal of the unneeded. Cutting MAKES bonsai!
This is a great piece of advice and very hard to visualize early on. How many times has an enthusiast rocked up at a club with a new $50 purchase, hoping to create something in about 2 years worth of growing, only to realize that they will need to cut a massive chunk off the material or to cut, wire, grow... cut, wire, grow....cut, wire, grow for the next 10 years until it becomes a lovely tree.

It probably took me honestly about 10 years to REALLY grasp both of the above concepts. And I am still a beginner as far as I am concerned. Anyone else who says they learnt what the above means in a year or 2 is just lying, or was possibly an apprentice to a master.
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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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treeman wrote:quodlibet, There ARE no styles suited to these trees. You have to CREATE them.

It is very important when working with, buying, or even considering any material for future bonsai development that we have a firm idea what we want to achieve, and that we have a good idea how that will be achieved.

There are 2 options with young raw material like this. The first one is to do nothing and just let them grow and come back later.
The second is to start working on it now.
If we choose option 2, we need to realise that 95% of the material is useless to our needs. It's important to remember that what primarily makes a bonsai is the act of removal of the unneeded. Cutting MAKES bonsai!
Wiring, trimming, leaf removal or any other such techniques are for the future not for now.

So what is unneeded here?
rjm1.PNG
silbir.PNG
This step #1 for option #2.
Hi treeman,

After making cuts like these on each respective plant, would you suggesting planting them in the ground or keeping them in their pots?

Cheers,
Nathan

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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treeman wrote:Cutting MAKES bonsai!
rjm1.PNG

So after treeman's recommendations, my Japanese maple has developed some new growth. Looking forward to seeing what this season will bring.

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Re: Silver Birch and Japanese Maple

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Some new growth on the main trunk of the Silver Birch.

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