Excited......

[wrcmad]

I could dissect your two posts towards me but .....

Of course you could....
Excellent, now let's move pleasently forward.

[wrcmad]

Please give us your impression of the material versus the shimpaku that already exists in Australia.

For shoo-in growers this should be exciting material.

Grant

I too like Grant would be interested to hear impressions .

Itoigawa has noticeably finer, shorter and denser foliage than shimpaku.
Also, Itoigawa is a definitive lime/emerald green colour, with none of the blue hue that shimpaku displays.
Bark colour seems to be exactly the same.

Here is the best pictorial difference I could get - had to take it inside due to half a cyclone Oma blowing up here ATM, so not sure the colour difference shows as well as it should.
Left is Itoigawa, Right is Shimpaku.

Comparison1.jpg

[wrcmad]

please describe the soil it's in too.

100% akadama.

[Max]

Okay.....so what I've gathered....is....someone has a plant someone else wants too, but can't get.....someone got that plant a sneaky but legal way....everyone wants to know how......some one won't tell because that will undervalue time and effort for no reward.....understandable....recompense.....why not.....however

This is a community

of like minded souls

lets grow together


and sell $600 trees for $10

[gnichols]

Okay.....so what I've gathered....is....someone has a plant someone else wants too, but can't get.....someone got that plant a sneaky but legal way....everyone wants to know how......some one won't tell because that will undervalue time and effort for no reward.....understandable....recompense.....why not.....however

This is a community

of like minded souls

lets grow together


and sell $600 trees for $10

This is something that I have found infuriating with this hobby, so much so that I nearly gave up. The guarding of secrets in bonsai, or any hobby is a sure fire way to lose the excellent knowledge over the long term and also deter new people.

It wasn't until meeting a few on this site who were willing to provide advice and talk openly (Neil is a great example) and then discovering bonsai mirai that my passion has been reignited. We should be sharing the knowledge not guarding it, but that is just my opinion.

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[MJL]

So.... if anyone is interested in stories of horticultural mystery and obsession - check out these two. Not bonsai but bloody good reads ... there’s a slight link here because there is a reference to orchids through this thread.

Truly - below are absorbing books. Read ‘em.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/785418.Orchid_Fever

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/228 ... chid_Thief


Bonsai teaches me patience.
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[wrcmad]

Okay.....so what I've gathered....

Nailedit.jpg

[Grant Bowie]

Okay.....so what I've gathered....is....someone has a plant someone else wants too, but can't get.....someone got that plant a sneaky but legal way....everyone wants to know how......some one won't tell because that will undervalue time and effort for no reward.....understandable....recompense.....why not.....however

This is a community

of like minded souls

lets grow together


and sell $600 trees for $10

This is something that I have found infuriating with this hobby, so much so that I nearly gave up. The guarding of secrets in bonsai, or any hobby is a sure fire way to lose the excellent knowledge over the long term and also deter new people.

It wasn't until meeting a few on this site who were willing to provide advice and talk openly (Neil is a great example) and then discovering bonsai mirai that my passion has been reignited. We should be sharing the knowledge not guarding it, but that is just my opinion.

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The hobby is bonsai, not importing, and no one is keeping secrets about how to grow bonsai. I think everyone should take a deep breath and grow up and grow bonsai.

Grant

[squizzy]

Okay.....so what I've gathered....is....someone has a plant someone else wants too, but can't get.....someone got that plant a sneaky but legal way....everyone wants to know how......some one won't tell because that will undervalue time and effort for no reward.....understandable....recompense.....why not.....however

This is a community

of like minded souls

lets grow together


and sell $600 trees for $10

This is something that I have found infuriating with this hobby, so much so that I nearly gave up. The guarding of secrets in bonsai, or any hobby is a sure fire way to lose the excellent knowledge over the long term and also deter new people.

It wasn't until meeting a few on this site who were willing to provide advice and talk openly (Neil is a great example) and then discovering bonsai mirai that my passion has been reignited. We should be sharing the knowledge not guarding it, but that is just my opinion.

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You can have all my knowledge gnichols. I hardly ever remember to use it anyway.

Squizzy

[MJL]

And a bit of my favourite songwriter, Bernard Fanning to calm the farm...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NnC5xJ1w_ ... -Im8o&t=0s


Bonsai teaches me patience.
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[wrcmad]

The hobby is bonsai, not importing, and no one is keeping secrets about how to grow bonsai. I think everyone should take a deep breath and grow up and grow bonsai.

Grant

[AirControl]

Another A-hole who thinks biosecurity doesn't apply to them, shame we can't ship you off like was done to Johnny Depp and his dogs.

Disgusting behavior but no surprise from what I am learning in this community

There are container loads of flowers and plants (phalaenopsis) arriving here every week with no quarantine from Taiwan and other places. Some of the flowers are well known to have mites on them but obviously not considered important enough to stop importation. The scare of foreign diseases is way over blown and mainly a scam to make money. Millions upon millions of plants were imported in the 40's 50' and 60's and probably the 70's, some of which were taken straight out of the forest and packed (orchids from all over the tropical world, cacti from Mexico brought in for decades and pests and diseases emanating from them are nowhere to be seen. If you consider the success of our horticultural and agricultural sectors it's quite clear the so called problem from plant importations over the decades was very minor indeed. And let's not mention the millions of airline passengers coming in from god knows where without quarantine. In the main - apart from one or two commercially important diseases or pests the scare is bullshit.
There are already plenty of itoigawa here.

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[Jdceng]

Hi There

Here is some more info.

https://nebaribonsai.wordpress.com/2012 ... -junipers/

[treeman]

Please give us your impression of the material versus the shimpaku that already exists in Australia.

For shoo-in growers this should be exciting material.

Grant

I too like Grant would be interested to hear impressions .

Itoigawa has noticeably finer, shorter and denser foliage than shimpaku.
Also, Itoigawa is a definitive lime/emerald green colour, with none of the blue hue that shimpaku displays.
Bark colour seems to be exactly the same.

Here is the best pictorial difference I could get - had to take it inside due to half a cyclone Oma blowing up here ATM, so not sure the colour difference shows as well as it should.
Left is Itoigawa, Right is Shimpaku.

Comparison1.jpg

Much faster growing too. For smaller trees (and probably larger) it is superior IMO

[treeman]

I just heard a bloke on the radio the other day say he would be charged $10,000 to import one queen be and keep it in quarantine for 3 months. But it's not a money making exsersise.