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SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » December 31st, 2008, 7:01 am

i have been decandling my pines this last week. here is a b4 and after of a scotts i have been working on for 2.5 yrs. walter pall's naturalistic scotts has inspired me on this one. the strong areas through the middle, i have cut all the new growth back. the top and bottom areas have been either left alone (sacrafice or just too weak), half cut (where i want to take the whole branch back to in winter pruning) or the whole candle in order to aid budding farther back and also will be pruned off in the winter. as i have said i will prune and wire in winter ready for a repot into its first training pot next summer:D
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby mudlarkpottery » December 31st, 2008, 7:13 am

Nice movement, Antonio.
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Pup » December 31st, 2008, 8:12 am

Quite a few bar branches there. Watch for swelling or you will lose taper. Pup
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby daiviet_nguyen » December 31st, 2008, 9:44 am

Hi Antonio,

The movement of the main body is elegant. I like it.

As Pup says, there are a few bar branches (I understand it as being branches opposite one another,)
I am not sure what you are going to do about them?

I have a question about the name, I hope somebody would be able to please explain it.

"Scotts pine" is just a name like "black pine", "radiata pine" etc. In this case, "Scotts" has nothing
to do with Scotland or anything Scottish for that matter?

So "Scotts pine" does not mean a pine species that is originated from Scotland?

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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Pup » December 31st, 2008, 10:13 am

daiviet_nguyen wrote:Hi Antonio,

The movement of the main body is elegant. I like it.

As Pup says, there are a few bar branches (I understand it as being branches opposite one another,)
I am not sure what you are going to do about them?

I have a question about the name, I hope somebody would be able to please explain it.

"Scotts pine" is just a name like "black pine", "radiata pine" etc. In this case, "Scotts" has nothing
to do with Scotland or anything Scottish for that matter?

So "Scotts pine" does not mean a pine species that is originated from Scotland?

Thank you and best regards,

Viet.

Veit the Pinus sylvestris is commonly called the SCOTS pine is native to the United Kingdom and Europe. It is used mainly as a timber tree.
There are quite a few varietys of it. The most popular in europe is Beuvronensis. There were quite a few forrests of them in Scotland where they were used to build houses and make furniture.
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » December 31st, 2008, 2:30 pm

penny, viet, thanks for the posative feed back. some bar branches at this time are part of this design,breaking some rule's on this one! :twisted: i have the taper in check and hopefully if all my careful planning and energy balancing comes off it'll be a pearla. other wise swelling is a great excuse for shari. ;) :D
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Asus101 » January 1st, 2009, 1:44 pm

anttal63 wrote:penny, viet, thanks for the posative feed back. some bar branches at this time are part of this design,breaking some rule's on this one! :twisted: i have the taper in check and hopefully if all my careful planning and energy balancing comes off it'll be a pearla. other wise swelling is a great excuse for shari. ;) :D


But if the swelling is in the middle of the tree, your not going to be able to correct it. You can carve one side, but the other will still have the bulge.

Oh I just looked and you have a swirl in the middle of the tree. I dont know how you plan on keeping the reverse taper getting worse. From the pictures, it looks like its already swelling there.
You have good movement lower but if you don't remove branches your going to have issues.
Oh and some "rules" are there for reasons such as thus; bar branches cause swelling and reverse taper.
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » January 1st, 2009, 2:25 pm

wow ace :roll: have you been reading again. :|
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Asus101 » January 1st, 2009, 2:31 pm

anttal63 wrote:wow ace :roll: have you been reading again. :|


ok, then, how are you going to stop a swirl there from swelling and creating reverse taper?
How are you going to fix the swelling with a shari when both sides have an unwelcome bulge?

And yeah I have been reading from a wide selection of sources so I'm not blindly following one masters ideologies and opinions.
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » January 1st, 2009, 2:40 pm

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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Ash Barns » January 1st, 2009, 3:13 pm

Antonio this seems a fairly young tree which is growing strongly. If this were my tree I would be addressing the wheelspoke and bar branch as soon as winter came. The tree has nice movement in the trunk which is a strong part of its appeal and if you are following a high feeding regime then the 'defects' will be exaggerated.

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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Pup » January 1st, 2009, 3:40 pm

In 1996 Hirotoshi Saito said correct the problem early before it a fault. In 2008 He reiterated this.
To ignore it is a problem, is to create one, his words.
He also said in 1996 that twin trunks like those that grow in Australian tree's, are not a problem.
Although the ideal is lower look at your native trees for inspiration. Again his words.
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » January 1st, 2009, 4:07 pm

thanks ash, there are no more than 2 live branches at 1 point anywhere. autumn and winter are the next check points and i will take all of that on board. :D
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby Pup » January 2nd, 2009, 12:29 am

The Phantom has has seen three in the middle :lol: :roll: :o
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Re: SCOTTS PINE

Postby anttal63 » January 2nd, 2009, 7:18 am

Pup wrote:The Phantom has has seen three in the middle :lol: :roll: :o


gee thats really funny cause from this end there is only 2 the third is dead (long ago)!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
the photo appears that way but you should have taken my word for it, rather than assume you know best for MY tree.
also i have a huge amount of respect for hiro but let me make it very clear; he is not the do all, end all of bonsai. :|
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