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Postby terryb » October 11th, 2017, 8:26 pm

Good evening all. Collected this and a younger version in winter. It is deciduous and has what I would call Prunus type bark
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Here is a closeup of the leaves
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Any help with identification would be appreciated

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Re: ID help

Postby Daluke » October 11th, 2017, 8:45 pm

Looks like an Ash or Beech?
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Re: ID help

Postby Boics » October 11th, 2017, 9:09 pm

Definitely not ash as they are not compound leaves.
Some sort of ulmus?
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Re: ID help

Postby Raging Bull » October 11th, 2017, 9:16 pm

Hi Terryb,
I've just compared it to some new shoots on one of my chinese elms, and they look virtually identical. The serrations of the leaf margins,the leaf veins running out to the points of the serrations and the alternate leaves all look identical. :reading: The only difference I can see is the diameter of the branch in relation to the leaf size, In your photo the diameter is greater than my C E . But I'm only a newbie, maybesome-one more knowledgable can confirm that or have another Idea.
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Re: ID help

Postby terryb » October 11th, 2017, 10:37 pm

Boics and Frank,

The leaves do look elm-like and that's sort of where I end up when trying to key it out. I forgot to post this image which shows some brown stipules(?) at the base of the leaf petioles as the buds were expanding. Haven't noticed this on my young chinese elms.
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Also the older leaves do seem to be doubly serrate. May have to get another photo
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Re: ID help

Postby Watto » October 12th, 2017, 5:59 am

I think English Elm. If the leaves are a bit rough on the underside, that is a reasonable indication of English Elm.
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Re: ID help

Postby Boics » October 12th, 2017, 6:58 am

Watto wrote:I think English Elm. If the leaves are a bit rough on the underside, that is a reasonable indication of English Elm.


Yep, that new photo looks more like EE.
I was favouring EE over CE from the first picture as the leaves looked a little too soft and furry for CE.
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