Senkeiban Zushiki: naniwa shomeika shuzu ; Kyoto; 1808.

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Re: Senkeiban Zushiki: naniwa shomeika shuzu ; Kyoto; 1808.

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Matt,

Amazing where they took it in such a limited amount of time. Rather audacious actually, taking another's art, stripping it and reconstructing it to suit what they desire. :) I have been reading of how different areas of Japan preferred feminine/masculine, short and stout/tall and thin etc. It seems back then even, the ratio debate was an extremely hot topic with entire provinces siding to a preferred styling.
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T'was I that alerted RJB to your post. Rather than "Dob in" ( very un-Australian) I pointed the great Bonsai Historian to the useful post.
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Re: Senkeiban Zushiki: naniwa shomeika shuzu ; Kyoto; 1808.

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Mitchell:

No apologies necessary. I have been a member of this forum for two years and would have found this thread eventually, if my long-time acquaintance Lindsay Farr (from late 2000) hadn't brought it to my attention so quickly. Of the many forums and blogs I know of ( http://www.phoenixbonsai.com/ForumBlogs.html ), AB is one of the ones I frequent most regularly.

Those particular images on my site are not copyrighted by me. As an educational, scientific endeavor we have a little more leeway as far as what we can reproduce to help tell our stories, but I am very respectful of others and give full credit where possible. In our Portrayals section, http://www.phoenixbonsai.com/Paintings/ ... ayals.html for instance, I use only the portion of a woodblock print or painting that actually shows the dwarf potted tree or landscape. Elsewheres on our website you can find full citation to where I have gotten every image. (For example, the first of the images from Japan are described and noted in http://www.phoenixbonsai.com/Paintings/Japanto1600.html ). I'm glad that you decided to search further afield.

The site is now almost 12-1/2 years old, and I've been researching the fascinating threads of this big picture for twice as long. Phoenixbonsai.com, especially the history portion, is mostly my compilation. But it is as good as it is only because of literally hundreds of enthusiasts and others who've contacted me with comments, criticisms, critiques, and contributions over the years.

I want to thank you, again, sir, for posting the slightly "tweaked" images of Senkeiban Zushiki here -- I have slightly "tweaked" some of the images we have for similar reasons: to enhance contrast, improve color tones, etc. But I do not think anyone has a problem with the results -- I have never heard from anyone about it.

And because of your efforts, I have been able to locate a couple of other digital books from that early time period. Please see the latest listing at http://www.phoenixbonsai.com/Books/OnlineBooks.html . The 1818 and 1827 works give a little mention of early bonsai. And I also would love to have someone provide a translation or paraphrase of the relevant sections...

Be well and continue this wonder-filled exploration.

Cordially,

Robert


:o Woah! My apologies, I didn't realise we have people here involved with the site also. Initally this started because I wanted to show some older shots, but didn't know if you had rights over the images hosted on your site, so I endeavoured to find them on a non-licensed source.
http://www.phoenixbonsai.com/Books/Books.html is a excellent resource which I am sure took many years to put together, anyone interested would be well invested to read the material there.

Thank you for your comment and linking here Robert, coming from someone as notable as yourself, I am very humbled indeed.

Edit- By the way, who dobbed me in? :lol: I assume you didn't find this page via browsing AB.com . :oops:
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Re: Senkeiban Zushiki: naniwa shomeika shuzu ; Kyoto; 1808.

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lindsay farr wrote:T'was I that alerted RJB to your post. Rather than "Dob in" ( very un-Australian) I pointed the great Bonsai Historian to the useful post.
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I assumed it may have been you Lindsay, my comment about "Dobbing in" with entirely tongue in cheek. :) I was just comparing it to a Teacher (Historian), catching a naughty kid scribbling in the Libraries encyclopedia with his own editions.
When I saw Robert had commented, I thought I may be about to be told off or something to that extent. :oops: :)
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Re: Senkeiban Zushiki: naniwa shomeika shuzu ; Kyoto; 1808.

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And, of course, since February 2016 the location of these pages have now been at http://www.magiminiland.org/Books/Books.html , http://www.magiminiland.org/Books/18001849.html , etc.

Our Bonsai Book of Days project is now starting at http://www.magiminiland.org/Days/Days.html .
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