Aus Bonsai Literati Bunjingi Competition.

[stymie]

Whatever you manage to dig out of there will be a world away from how it looks now Jamie. I'm sure that there must be several possibilities in it. Are the trunks supple enough to be bent into shape? Its a courageous venture and if you enter it, you should also have a second string in case.

[Jamie]

hey styme!

yes there is a lot of work here for sure, i am still trying to decide to have this one go in or not and a lot of the trunks are quite bendable. they are decent in thickness yet have a lot of secondaries that are very flexible. the larger trunks on the other hand will bend, getting them to stay in shape will be the biggest problem
with some 6mm wire and maybe raffia and wire wrapped up the trunk they should stay. so it is possible. it will also be possible to do some major chop backs and use some of the lower thinner branches for this
if i was to reduce it would be having about 8 or 9 tenths of it choppe. heck it will probly lose that in height anyways.

[Jan]

I'll be interested to see how you go with this one, Jamie111, and in the advice offered. I have o plant of the same species that seems reluctant to bud back on older wood and is proving to be a bit of a problem child. I'll be very interested in the advice you receive on this one.

Re the contest; can a plant that has appeared on another site be used in the older plant section? I have a rescued walnut tree that has received some inital work but is still in the early stages of development. The tree was collected in2007 and has only had pinching done since then. Would this tree be admissable here?

Jan

[Bretts]

As far as I know there is no tree that is excluded from the contest it is just a decision which division it goes in. This looks to be in a bonsai pot and I believe that automatically puts it in the aged division

I have a little dilemma of my own in this way at the moment. I have a bunch of gums that most are destined for a Forrest one day. The problem I have is that looking at them the other day I saw one that I may like to work into literati The problem I have is that it may constitute an aged tree as I have chopped them all and wired a new leader. I guess that puts it in the aged section and I already have two trees set aside for that. Hmm I may have two trees for the new stock section too
The general idea I was thinking was that this thread was a place to get these decisions clarified by the judges.

So here you are Judges new stock or aged stock?
Possible front with wipper snipper and wire scars

gumlit.jpg

And the back showing the chop

gumlit2.jpg

Here is a thread I posted of the work done last year for consideration.
viewtopic.php?f=104&t=407&p=4105&hilit= ... rest#p4105

[Jan]

Yes, Bretts, it is in a glazed concrete bowl that I use as a training pot - not the most attractive pot but it is good for this job. I thought that the walnut would eventually go into a round pot so I started it out in a round pot. I dug it in the winter of '07 so I thought that it would go into the aged section. Still a long way to go with this one but I think that the trunk is too good not to give it a go. With such a big trunk it seems to be in balance even with the walnut leaves.

As for your gums, they don't seem to have had more work on them than a pre bonsai tree bought from a specialist nursery so the judges may yet put them in the new stock class..but that is their call,

Jan

[Jamie]

hey people.

from what i have hear there isnt a great chance of them back budding either on the thuja, but this on has a lot of smaller branches that have plenty to choose from, and the funny thing is it has a lott of buds swelling all the way down the trunk and all ove the place.
i am still unsure on the entry of this one, maybe the thuja will be a long term project. i got another shimpaku today when i got my twins a tree each that has some great potential for bunjingi to. so it might be a double shimpaku entry from me. here it is any way. i will make the decision when it gets a bit closer


regards jamie

[Leigh Taafe]

As for your gums, they don't seem to have had more work on them than a pre bonsai tree bought from a specialist nursery so the judges may yet put them in the new stock class..but that is their call,

Hi Brett,

I am with Jan on this one. I dont think there has been enough work to constitute your tree being in the aged class.

Cheers,
Leigh.

[NathanM]

Jamie, it seems you have access to alot of decent Shimpaku, that's great!!
I took a couple of pictures of my entry last night. Untrained Juniper Foemenia stock. Will upload tonight =) The photos aren't great, but I finished work after dark, so it's hard to do good photos during the week!

[Bretts]

but I finished work after dark,

Hey Nathan not meant to start work before the tree is posted after the 1st of November.

Great Liegh it would good to have a gum in the comp not sure what Fly is using?

[NathanM]

but I finished work after dark,

Hey Nathan not meant to start work before the tree is posted after the 1st of November.

Great Liegh it would good to have a gum in the comp not sure what Fly is using?

Ooops, I probably should have worded that a little better. I didn't finish working at my job till after dark =P
7am - 6pm most days sucks =/
I haven't touched the tree at all yet =) Just watering it and taking a few pics last night. I want to slip pot it into a bigger training pot too, cause it's still in it's tiny little nursery pot, but haven't even done that =P

[Pup]

Brett to clear up what constitutes old, is a tree that has been worked as a tree of any style before. As in any Bonsai, and shows those signs.
An old piece of stock that has not been worked does not mean old Bunjingi ( Literati) or tree that has to go in new or old section.
If it is in a bonsai pot now, training pot excepted, it is also classed as old.

Another thing while we are here there will be maximum amount of points. Given for your participation segments ( telling us and showing us how you achieved what you have done ) we want to know.

Who advised you with what, remember no one but your self must take the photo's so try to get a good back drop,
( i use a piece of 6mm MDF painted blue 1200mm x 1200 mm it works fine ) or physically work on the tree.
So the more you itemize, to us the better.
There are no restrictions on the species, or size. As long as we can see it all in the photograph.

I would like Stymie and Leigh, to add any thing that I have missed, and they believe to be relevant.
I would also like to wish you all good luck and best wishes. Pup

[NathanM]

Here's a picture of my tree =) It's a terrible picture. I should have used the better camera, but this is the best pic out of 5 i took =P Might have to take some better ones on Saturday haha.

[Jamie]

looks like you have a couple of kinks in the trunk mate i think you should be able to find something quite nice in there

whats the foliage like? is it a bit like pencil pine???

[stymie]

The young or new section in the competition is for material which has been lifted from the ground or obtained from a nursery but has not been 'worked' as a bonsai before. It may have been cut back at sometime during its life but not styled.
This is how I visualise it.
Something previously trained in a different style to Literati/Bunjin would be expected to be entered into the old or worked section.
Perhaps the sections would be best named NEW and WORKED to clarify this? Brett, you have the breakdown - What do you think?

[NathanM]

Jamie, Yeah man, it's got a decent trunk, and it looks better in real life too! I'm hoping to find a decent bunjingi in there!! See how I go =P Yeah, the mature foliage is a bit like a pencil pine. kind of long and a bit sparse. Should look quite good in bunjingi. Providing I can get it to look good with my limited skill =P