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Pine seedlings

Postby shibui » October 16th, 2017, 6:27 pm

I have a few new JBP seedlings germinating this year. There are many ways you can grow these but some of you may be interested to see some of the things I do with them.
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You can leave them to get a bit bigger but I often prick some out quite early and cut the root to get better lateral roots started early.
Lift the seedlings out gently
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Then nip the white part of the root with scissors or fingernails.

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You should all know by now that roots respond very much like the top of a plant. When you prune you get more shoots (roots) growing. That's what will happen here but the new roots will be laterals rather than a single vertical down root.

I've pricked out 8 so far the others can grow in the seed tray for a bit longer before I pot them up.

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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby melbrackstone » October 16th, 2017, 6:57 pm

I did that with all the seedlings I got from the seeds you sent me in June. I didn't lose any of them, and they powered away again!

You've given me a lot of confidence from your regular posts, thank you!
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby shibui » November 19th, 2017, 5:26 pm

The remaining JBP seedlings have continued to grow and now look like this

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I could leave them a bit longer but that seedling punnet is pretty small so they won't grow very fast and there is always the chance it will dry out and I'd lose the lot so I pricked out the rest of them into individual pots.
I've found that pruning the roots at this stage gives me much better nebari in a few years so at this transplant the roots are cut quite hard which ill stimulate the trees to grow even more new roots closer to the trunk.
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Like the previous ones, these have all gone into 11cm squat pots to grow on.

As I have said above, there is not really any 'best' time to transplant pine seedlings. I have another larger tray and will probably leave those ones growing together until next winter. There are lots of ways that all end up with good bonsai material.
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby Grainer » November 19th, 2017, 5:43 pm

do you know where to get fresh seed? I am chasing some.
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby shibui » November 19th, 2017, 6:00 pm

You can get fresh JBP seed off a JBP tree :whistle:

The hard bit is finding a tree that is producing cones :palm:

Sorry I can't help any more than that. Pine seed is not allowed into Aust now to try to prevent an exotic disease coming in and devastating our pine industry so it is hard to find a legal supplier. My seed came from a tree in our garden but I only got 5 cones last summer so not enough seeds to supply others, even over this side.
I have planted another one into the paddock hoping it will yield cones in a couple of years. Maybe more people should consider doing the same.
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby Daluke » November 19th, 2017, 6:18 pm

I got a few small cones going. How longs it take until it’s ripe? Autumnish?
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby shibui » November 19th, 2017, 6:50 pm

Pine cones actually take 18 months to mature. The ones that started on my red pine last spring are now starting to grow and look more like pine cones while tiny new female cones have appeared at the top of the spring candles.
They ripen mid - late summer and a hot, dry day will trigger the ripe cones to open up and drop the seed. You really need to watch carefully after they have reached full size and started to turn brown. At the first sign of cones opening pick them all and store in a paper bag or open box. As they dry they'll all open and release the seeds.
Outside on the trees when the cones get damp they close up again and look perfect but no seeds left inside :palm:
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby Tambrand » November 19th, 2017, 10:44 pm

]Here is how we resolved the seed problem.
Brought seed from a Japanese seed pack.
Then using, I believe Shibui's technique, accidentally learned how to grow hard
wood cuttings. Only 1 out of 5 will take but, they do well.

Thanks again Shibui.
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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby bonsaisensation » November 19th, 2017, 10:59 pm

Hi Neil,
Good to see someone else growing black pines from seeds. I also have good success this year with just under 800 seedling potted up. It's only the second time that I've had good success rate in the last 6 years or so. So every single one of them is precious.
On the side note, I am curious to find that liverwort is a bit of an issue for you too. I don't have trouble with them but one of my suppliers who is probably the biggest conifer grower in the country, struggles with it big time. I wonder could it have been the potting mix or water...... :lost:


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Re: Pine seedlings

Postby shibui » November 20th, 2017, 5:20 pm

My guess is that liverwort and water are related. I water quite heavily because of using a very open mix so the nursery is usually damp. I have been spraying with vinegar which kills the live plants but it soon comes back.
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