OH! bugger pt two

[Pup]

To those of you who have read my first post on this subject, offered condolences and various means to acquire said piece.
Here is that piece now after some tweaking and some quiet time no horrible sounds. So now it is a matter of wait and see.
Explanations with the pics as you can see I have changed the front it is now the back. Pup

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I have noticed using smaller files allows more posting in one post how do you think the pics are?

[Bretts]

The pictures are excellent. Even though this forum takes very large files I for one appreciate when the size and quality has been reduced under 100 kb as they load so much quicker. I have never noticed any lag in viewing your pics in the past either though Pup.Other forums average about 70kb maximum. It is great to have the option of more kb when large quality is needed.

I have been contemplating something similar to this bend in a hornbeam that I gave issues So I will be studying this post for a while.

[Gary Bee]

Crikey! Pup, that is some bend or do we call it straightening?
It certainly pulled your tree into shape. Are you sure you did not hear anything? Like a popping knuckle or a snapping pencil?

Not even a creak?

You have the makings of a good tree. But then you have done this a few times in the past there is no doubt.

The upholstery webbing is interesting. I assume it is about 2cm wide? and readily available from the local upholsterer.
Is the material cotton or nylon?

We all look forward to the Spring result.

[Bretts]

I was leaving mine til spring thinking it would be best done when the tree was starting to grow. I would like to try it now because I have other options if it didn't work.

[Pup]

Thanks for the feed on the pics mate. Yes like you I find that larger pics are good but some times as you say downloading takes time.
If you undertake this please make sure the medium you use to protect the wood is very tight. Also as I said that the wire is is a good fit.
When you are thinning the wood be careful to leave enough. I have in the past overcooked that although the tree survived.
It had some very nasty swelling issues so it was sold on.
A comment made on another post as to why s*^t is put on raffle tables or sold at clubs.
Is simple all clubs need money, and all clubs have those that will always buy it. Aunty Mavis has a beautiful Bonsai!! type person. Is a member of all clubs.
Also some times the old saying goes one mans Pup

[Pup]

Crikey! Pup, that is some bend or do we call it straightening?
It certainly pulled your tree into shape. Are you sure you did not hear anything? Like a popping knuckle or a snapping pencil?

Not even a creak?

You have the makings of a good tree. But then you have done this a few times in the past there is no doubt.

The upholstery webbing is interesting. I assume it is about 2cm wide? and readily available from the local upholsterer.
Is the material cotton or nylon?

We all look forward to the Spring result.

Tmaster no I was lucky this time. Furniture webbing off cuts a mate in the upholstery business.
Bias binding is a cotton that women use in sowing is also a go. In 1996 when Hirotoshi Saitoh was here for the first time he used it very effectively. I find it easier to use and as effective as raffia. Yes you could say straightening. Like you I will be waiting to see whether it buds or caks it. Should know before I go away.

[Grant Bowie]

Very impressive technique, work and artistry Pup.

[Pup]

Very impressive technique, work and artistry Pup.

Thanks for the ego boost Grant The credit for what I have done I will gladly take.
The technique is another thing, cutting away the wood was something that Dorothy Koreshoff, past on in an article in the early Bonsai Australia mags.
It was as a move to improve taper after a trunk chop.
The wrapping in cotton was as I said taught by Hiro in 1996.
It proves something though I have not got, OH what was it never mind Pu errp

[Steven]

A terrific teaching article Derek! The photography is very good and the size is ample for this application.
Nice to see your bending bar in action too mate!
Regards,
Steven

[Bretts]

After ordering in some decent size wire from ebay, 3.5 and 5 mm I was able to give this a go on my hornbeam today. The new leader I had created over a period of 1 1/2 years was not going to cut it. I may be able to hide the flaw but I think this tree deserves better. I was leaning towards starting again either by advantages buds or approach grafting. I see a slight possibility that I may be able to manipulate the flow of the tree to correct what I see as a fault in the flow of the trunk to the new leader.
I like the philosophy of whatever works so I was trying to work that out as I tried my first supported bend. I used a combination of wire rafier and bicycle tube which was demonstrated at the last Bonsai By The Harbour.
The result is as I hoped as far as I can tell. As I was to busy telling the misses I could go further I did not have the hearing aid turned up as Pup suggests.
About an inch back is where I am looking for a new leader I am looking forward to see if I have improved things or I still need to start again in the new season.

How long before I can remove the constraints Pup?

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[Pup]

Well done Soltan and welcome to the hopeful club. I looked at mine to day. I am not sure whether it is going deciduous, or I am out of luck.
At the moment our weather here is barmy one day warm next day hot, nights are cold though so it might be that.
I am getting heaps of growth on my Ficus!!. We will have to wait a little while longer! Pup

[Petra]

I would of cut the whole thing off.
cut out a v & stuck it back on, tied it up with medical breathing tape.
Not go to the extent that you went to.
i did this with 4 friends and a much thicker tree when we were 15. just to prove we could do it.
and that tree still stands.

[Pup]

I would of cut the whole thing off.
cut out a v & stuck it back on, tied it up with medical breathing tape.
Not go to the extent that you went to.
i did this with 4 friends and a much thicker tree when we were 15. just to prove we could do it.
and that tree still stands.

Good for you. So you know this technique then.

[Chris]

you guys make me laugh i sit and freak out at some of the treatment you give to your trees but hey i pull up my chair and read on most interesting great looking trees. I havent attempted this type of touture to my trees as i dont have the tools YET !!!