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My take on a native

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Hey folks,

There has been a lot of debate on here recently regarding the styling of bonsai, and particularly native trees, in a naturalistic way. I have thus far chosen not to add my opinion as I tend to prefer exotics, and I am a fan of the more stylised trees over the more natural look, however there are a few things I would like to present for peoples thoughts

In nature, trees are admired for many reasons, it can be the size of the particular tree, it's location, the drama of the setting, the surrounding area and the relationship that the tree has with it, the drama and signs of a hard life etc. While we tree to emulate this with bonsai in order to tell a story, it is important to note that I believe that while these all make an impressive, emotive picture, often the tree itself is not what we would call "well styled", that is to say that in a pot, it would look rubbish.

Once a tree becomes bonsai, we have little of the above to draw on, they aren't large, imposing trees towering over us, their setting must always be the container, other than in display they have relatively little relationship with their surrounds, and we must manufacture (in most cases) the signs of age and hardship. We also scrutinise bonsai much more heavily than we would a normal tree in terms of an aesthetic picture. Not only that but as bonsai lovers we will look closely to see how it is built, take in all the features, and also be very quick to determine and in most cases brutally point out flaws.

All of this in my opinion means that to say that it is better to style a tree in the "natural style" over something less naturally realistic is setting an unrealistic expectation of what we hope to achieve in the final design and picture. Yes there are examples of spectacular bonsai styled in a "natural style", but these trees are good bonsai for all the reasons that any tree, natural or otherwise, would be good bonsai. I for one have yet to see a pine tree on the side of any road around here (and there are many) that compares to the finest pine bonsai in the world, likewise with any juniper or maple. This for me also applies to the casurina in question that started the recent debate, this tree for me is far better than any casurina I have ever seen as bonsai. I also believe, :imo: that it is better than any casurina I have ever seen, period.

That is not meant to take away in any sense from casurina in the wild, or any other tree for that matter, design is of no concern to these trees, and I expect nothing more from them than to be just that, trees....... but I DO expect more from bonsai.

With all that said, here is my only native (except for figs)

I recently styled this tree after relegating it to the dead corner for lack of design inspiration

A lepto cardwell I think :lost:
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Make of it what you will, but I like it, and as it is my tree, and my garden, really that is all that matters. The same can be said for the above opinions, they are neither right nor wrong, they are only mine

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Nice post Kez and I like the tree. :yes:
Reminds of the many I have seen hanging out from washed away rivers and creek banks.

I think it was Shibui that has a thread on Casuarina that was washed out of a riverbed? :lost:
This one has a similar them and look.

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Very well considered post Kez... and a nice little native to boot. :yes:
I'm not sure if this is what Ken was referring to but I know Shibui has a post on a "waterswept" Callistemon?
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Might inspire you perhaps...
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That the one thanks Ryceman
Not so much the shape of the tree, but the exposed roots and general composition

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What style of pot do you have in mind for this tree? I can imagine it on a stone slab....
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Re: My take on a native

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In nature, trees are admired for many reasons, it can be the size of the particular tree, it's location, the drama of the setting, the surrounding area and the relationship that the tree has with it, the drama and signs of a hard life etc. While we tree to emulate this with bonsai in order to tell a story, it is important to note that I believe that while these all make an impressive, emotive picture, often the tree itself is not what we would call "well styled", that is to say that in a pot, it would look rubbish.

Hi kez.
Great to see someone who has thought enough about this subject to actually voice a considered opinion. It is a subject that will not go away and will only be discussed more as time goes on. I agree with your above sentiments to a point. As far as I'm concerned, the very reason bonsai came into existance in the first place was the desire to capture and have close at hand, a representation of the rustic, the wild, the natural. A connection with nature if you like. Something which can be used to ''keep in touch'' with the uncultivated wilderness. We can achieve this with a stone, a flower, a garden tree or a bonsai.

I feel that over time some bonsai have been refined to such a degree that they begin to lose their original wild spirit and become domesticated. Not only that. Because modern bonsai (including most of mine by the way) have been styled with a pre-determined set of guidelines which are passed from one practitioner to the next, they are beginning to all appear more and more uniform. Exactly what nature is not! Possibly very appealing but still very similar to each other.

Maintaining the fine line between a more natural form and still having to select branches to keep or remove every year is far from easy. What IS easy is to make more of the same. That is: bringing all branches down to the same angle, creating foliage pads, keeping the nebari as even as possible, removing anything from the tree that ''strays'' from the ''plan''
Deep thinking about what we are doing is removed and we begin to work in an automatic fashion. It is very uncomfortable to have to constantly reevaluate and question what we are doing so it is only natural that we fall back to the familiar.
Unfortunately the result is as above. More tame, domesticated trees which although nice to look at, don't give us the feeling that was originally intended.

Back to your paragraph above, yes it is all too easy to have a naturalistic tree image transfered to a bonsai and look really crappy. Therein lies the difficulty and the reason why it is selcom even attempted. There are many examples of bonsai which are substandard or even downright hideous and are claimed to be designed in the naturalistic style. Naturalistic design cannot be used as an excuse for ''anything goes'' There can be many featurs in a natural tree which simply would not work in a bonsai as they become too distracting to the eye.

Once a tree becomes bonsai, we have little of the above to draw on, they aren't large, imposing trees towering over us, their setting must always be the container, other than in display they have relatively little relationship with their surrounds, and we must manufacture (in most cases) the signs of age and hardship. We also scrutinise bonsai much more heavily than we would a normal tree in terms of an aesthetic picture. Not only that but as bonsai lovers we will look closely to see how it is built, take in all the features, and also be very quick to determine and in most cases brutally point out flaws.
IMO, the most essential or valuble aspect of a bonsai is not the tree itself. It is the suggestion of it's surroundings and how much imagination it can inspire in the viewer. That was the original intention of bonsai. The fact that that is either lost or unimportant to some practitioners is neither here nor there. It remains important to me (and seemingly some others as well). To me, this is often lost in the ''Kimura style'' modern interpretations which scream out ''LOOK AT ME !!'' I accept that this is a strong force in the modern bonsai community at the moment....for the moment..... but at the risk of alienation, I am pretty uninterested in all the young ''master demontrators'' doing the rounds at the moment who pretty much all belong to the same church and teach from the same bible.
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