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Styling a 10 Years Old Field Grown Black Pine (2)

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I originally wrote a post in Vietnamese about this pine in January, 2008. That is why some of the photos has
foreign writing on them.


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I bought this black pine a few weeks before the 9/June/2006. It was a field grown tree, for general landscaping,
not bonsai. I was told it was about 10 years old at the time. It had just been dugged up and potted into a plastic
bag in 2005. I also paid $125.00 for it.

I think it is the same crop as the pine I posted in Air layering a black pine.

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These are the first photos I took of this pine on the 27/January/2008:

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The dealer originally selected this pine for his keeping. I was taken by it somewhat. He told me that when he took
those from the grower, they were all nearly 2 meters tall. He reduced this pine more than half the original height.
On a subsequent visit, I saw that he put it aside for sale.

I cannot remember when I repotted it into this big box. I kept looking at it, and I think I knew the reason why he wanted
to get rid of it -- the leader branch was hopeless, it looked like a piece of a pole screwed on top of another pole, the joint
was ugly. And furthermore, there appeared to be enough branches, but careful examinations show that the distribution
pattern made some of the branches useless.

I was disappointed and silently cursed myself for selecting such a bad material, while there were abundant choices.

I think around October 2006 I finally stopped feeling stupid. And also at that time, the tree showed strong growing
signs. I cut off the leader that the dealer selected, thereby reducing the height a bit more. I selected the youngest,
smallest, and the topmost branch to be a new leader; and wired it into position. This is the leader in the above photos.

I left the leader grow un-checked while maintaining other branches to develop ramification.

I realised that I need to eliminate two branches. But I did not know which ones. So I just wired them all before the photos
were taken.

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The branches have several undesirable patterns.

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As can be seen from the above photo, the two middle branches form a bar, a plus (+) sign, or opposite one another. One
must be cut off.

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The above photo also shows a bar formed with the two lowest branches. One must be cut off.

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I planned to cut off branches A and B; I think the remaining ones would give this pine a pleasing appearance.

The vertical distances between the branches are also a bit close. But this might not necessary be a drawback.

I have tried hard to understand the concept of the front view, but I could not get it. Early on, I concentrated on only
one view, and as the results, the other three other views have been ugly.

I do not want to repeat this mistake. So I changed to adopt the thinking that within the 360 degrees, the composition
must look good at every angle
. This idea has also been put forward in one of the Bonsai Today issues, I think by an
American person.

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In the past, I have experienced sudden regrets after cutting off branches -- justify or not, I hate the feeling just the same.
To avoid sudden regrets, I used plastic bags to cover branches A and B, this gave me an opportunity to "see" the final
tree after all cuttings. I recorded this step in the following photos:

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The idea of using stuff to cover branches to be cut off has been discussed in an issue of Bonsai Today, that is where
I get the idea from.

I felt that it looks all right without branches A and B. So I proceeded to cut branch B off first.

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After branch B was cut off:

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I still felt right, so I proceeded to cut off branch A -- the final branch that I wanted to cut off.

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And this is the tree after the two branches were removed:

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At first glance, the above photos shows a balanced arrangement of branches. But branch A pointed too much
to the right, this created an empty space on the left -- this space must be filled later on as ramifications are
developing.

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The above photos re-enforced the empty space discussed previously. It looked so empty from this view, I actually
thought about pulling branch A outward (or to the right from this view) a little.

Branch B pointed too much to the left, it must be moved to the right a little. But because it naturally grew to the
left, so moving it to the right would make a very un-natural angle; to achieve this, the main body must be twisted to
the desired angle. Fortunately the new leader was still young, with enough wiring, this can be can be carried out
fairly easily.

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The above photo also emphasises the empty space.

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The above photo shows the view that I like best.

* Some basic measurements:
  • Tree height: 66 cm -- from the soil surface in the box.
    Trunk diameter: 12 cm -- on the soil surface in the box.
    Trunk diameter: 6 cm -- immediately above the first visible root.

    Box width: 38 cm.
    Box length: 56 cm.
    Box height: 19 cm.
So at this point, the tree has only four main branches. The top was heavy, because it had five young shoots up there.
I planned to develop five main branches for this pine, I did contemplate seven, but that would make it a bit taller while
I quite like this height.

On the 22/May/2008, I did another re-wiring. I did finish off all the points discussed above -- including making the ffith
branch.

The differences after re-wiring were subtle compared to the above photos. I could not borrow a camera, so I did not
recorded the works.

The major achievement of this re-wiring was filling out the discussed empty space -- bringing the two lowest branches
into a straight-line.

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I repotted it into a proper bonsai pot sometimes in August 2008. Even though it has been in good health for two years --
ever since I took possession of it in September 2006 -- the root ball was not any bigger than when I took it out of the
plastic bag. This helps me understand why bonsai authors state that older pines are repotted every three years or so.

In November, 2008, I gave it a little trim. The following photos were taken on 01/January/2009:

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The above two views show the ugly sides of this tree. I must concentrate on improving these two sides. I have not achieved
the objective that set out from the beginning "within the 360 degrees, the composition must look good at every angle."

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These above two sides of this tree look balanced.

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The view from above -- (the fifth dimension :))

Branch number five cannot be seen. Because it is still short, and obscured by the young shoots which are pointing
upward.

At this point, I am happy with the development of this tree. I do not have any sinking feelings about it any more.

* Some basic measurements:
  • Tree height: 68 cm -- from the soil surface in the box.
    Trunk diameter: 12 cm -- on the soil surface in the box.
    Trunk diameter: 6 cm -- immediately above the first visible root.

    Pot diameter: 41 cm (about.)
    Pot height: 15 cm.
The pot is Chinese. I paid $70.00 for it. I have decided to stop buying Chinese pots awhile back -- hand-made or
otherwise. My father bought this one, he gave it to me. Possibly out of a sense of obligation, I took it and paid him
back the money. This one shows sign of peeling "paint". It will look quite ugly in the future.

(If later on, I found any mis-spellings or grammar errors I would edit this post directly. I will not change the content.)
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Re: Styling a 10 Years Old Field Grown Black Pine (2)

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I like the last pot photo, I like the lean. I would like to see it again in the future and see how it progresses.
I think the trunk is too straight and slightly boring to go completely vertically and because of the chop you cant got formal upright.
I would look at wiring the branches down slightly too, to give it more age and less youthful look.

I really like your planning process as well, its a good lesson for for looking at all possibilities.
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As usual an excellent progression record Viet - Thank you.

As for the tree, I can't say that it does anything for me at present. I am familiar with the 360 degree tree as discussed on KoB but I feel that there is too much negative space on this specimen. Perhaps when you achieve some sub-branching some of this space may be utilized.

I will hold judgement for later.

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This is just an idea but what about a mini? I don't like the trunk between the first and second branches. The lower trunk has character, the second part doesn't appear to [understanding photos only show the worst aspects]. I know it's extreme, but if you lop the tree to several centimetres above the first branch, have a bit of jin and start creating a mini. That's what I think I would do based purely on these photos. Or let it grow this way for a couple of years to create even more lower character, shape the bottom branch and then lop it.
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Hi Asus101,

I agree that the main trunk is rather straight and boring. I try to lessen this by trying to make the new leader
a bit "interesting"; but I think this is not yet working :)

The new shoots are still young and pointing upward. I plan to to wire them sometimes in April or May 2009.


Hi Jon,

I agree with your comments too. There too much empty space. The is too big, and increases this effect even
more. Much more need to be developed for the branches. Importantly the diameters of the branches must be
bigger to be in proportion with the main trunk.

Hi MelaQuin,

I can see where you come from. But I do not have the heart to lop this one as you suggested. I bought/swapped
five of these pines. I have chopped three right down.

The one that I did air layering is effective chopped down. I will post the rest later on.

I hope to improve its image in the future.

Thank you everybody for your honest opinions. I appreciate honest opinions, these will help me to improve the
tree in question more.

Regards,

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Hi Viet,

You should be able to bend that trunk and any like it up to around the thickness of your arm without any problems... I would try that before doing anything drastic. I am sure you are familiar with the 'drill out the heart wood' technique which would make this bend like butter. If not let me know and i can explain.
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if you have branches on all four sides, you could split the trunk and create a multi trunked pine.
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Hi Jow,

Thank you for your suggestions. I do not know 'drill out the heart wood' technique. I did a search on the net.
Could not find anything either :)

I am really faint-hearted, and a bit wimpy too... so any sophisticated techniques that require a lot of man power
are not really for me.

But please kindly explain the technique, I am sure people will find it beneficial.

I am too far away from Yarraville, so I cannot attend your club meeting. But I do visit the web-site every month --
http://www.bonsainorthwest.com.au/ .

I think it is one of strongest clubs in Victoria.

Hi Asus101,

I think it is too hard to go that path. I will just let it grow and see how it pans out. I still have some other trees
that I am a bit stuck on... so that I will keep me busy for a while :)

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where in melb are you from viet? jow is also at bvs malvern. what jow is proposing is not that difficult and often done. :D
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Basically the technique involves drilling a hole on the inside of the proposed bend. Use a drill bit around 1/3 - 1/5th the diameter of the material to be bent. Put a mark on the drill bit to ensure that you don't drill too deep and go through the other side of the trunk. you want it to go about 2/3 through the trunk. Once you have a hole drilled insert the drill again and move it around in all directions, effectively removing as much heart wood as possible through the one hole. Move it up down and side to side. If it is a really thick branch you may need to drill several of these holes along the length of the bend. One hole will make a sharp bend where as 3 or so along a 15cm section will make a more gradual bend.

Once the hole or holes are drilled Rafia the to be bent section and add reinforcing wores. then bend as you would any other branch. It should bend easily.

The best part about this technique is that it leaves very little scaring. An older technique that i am sure you are familiar with is the cut a wedge technique. I have always found this to leave an ugly scar for a long time after its healed and i wouldn't use it on very thick material.

Hope this makes sense.
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Hi Jow,

Thank you for for explaining the technique. I think I can picturing it in my head now. I am truthful in stating
that I have been doing bonsai for 15 years, but I do not attend any club meetings etc... I'm missing out quite
a lot.

In term of knowledge gained and learned, I have not learned much compared to a person who attends regularly.

I did attend the talk by Mr. Craig Coussins which was organised by BSV. Eye-openning for me.

I did apply the wedge technique twice, once on a trident maple. Once on a radiata pine. They have worked
ok for me.

Hi Antonio,

I am in the south-east. But I work in Bundoora. Both locations are too far away from BSV and Northwest clubs.

I was hopeful that BSV would move to Box Hill, but apparently not. I think the last show which was held in
Box Hill Town Hall was rather cozy.. :) My father and I, we always come early to buy signed Japanese pots, but
nothing turned up in the last three years :)

Regards,

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hey viet you could be right about that, i forgot bsv is moving its meetings this year. jow if you chime in you know much about that? :D
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Great post Viet :!:
Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.
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Fourth Monday of the month. This months (January) is a tripple demo on a pine of some description. The new location is

"KEW MASONIC CENTRE
31-33 STRATHALBYN STREET,
EAST KEW"

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cool thanks man. come on viet you can do it :D
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