Re: 'Big Blue' Mirai video
Posted: May 18th, 2020, 7:09 pm
like it or don't like it---aspire to it or not---- that's all there is
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wrcmad post_id=278330 time=1589790631 user_id=7001
No
you are absolutely right
Yes I do. So according to you, people should be disallowed to show (voice?) their repulsion of a piece of work? ( Not the artist personally )Remember "repulsive"?
FIVE wrcmad comments later........wrcmad post_id=278348 time=1589797429 user_id=7001
I'm not wasting anymore energy debating your nonsense.
You can't give it up.... can you?
Well said.wrcmad wrote: On one condition ... that Mr Treeman is a bit more diplomatic, and considerate with his choice of words when critiquing someone else's work in regards to his own preferences. Above all, I cannot tolerate disrespect towards someone else's attempts... no matter who it is, it is not a good thing. Respectfulness of others is of utmost importance... including each other.
That is not a big ask, is it?
You don’t need to apologise for loving Japanese Bonsai aesthetics. Just stop rubbing everyones nose’s in it. The fertiliser a bit thick!wrcmad wrote: ↑May 17th, 2020, 11:18 pmMmmmm... 2 people with hands up.
Why am I not surprised?
It is perfectly acceptable, understandable, and OK, to make your own pursuit of bonsai that of imitation of nature.
That is a very credible and legitimate pursuit, and requires certain skills.
It is also a perfectly acceptable preference in the passion we all here practice in. Every one deserves and is entitled to an opinion.
However, there are many here who seem to (unwittingly or purposefully?) conflate the Japanese bonsai-psyche of "representation", with their own interpretation - that of "imitation".
In this instance, it would seem, more than just sometimes, that it is more convenient and fitting for one's own interests to interpret it as "imitation".
To then assume to be a local authority on the subject of such a foreign culture (without having ever visited or observed first-hand .... WTF?), use it also as a basis for judgement of the quality of Japanese trees (WTF again??), belittle the majority of the art you have invested so heavily in, and then finally dictate to the crowd what is "not an opinion"..... simply belies belief of anyone who has spent time discussing the objectives with the mentioned local Japanese Bonsai practicioners and professionals (masters?).
To then continue to prescribe exactly what trees are supposed to represent, and exactly what trees must reflect to be authentic.... is just plain (I'm trying not to use the word "arrogant" or "naïve")... misguided?
This line of assessment is to completely misunderstand the Japanese thought process, aims, and underlying culture. It is also an attempt (IMHO) to try to reinvent a foreign multi-generational culture and art to suit one's own objectives.
However, if you spend enough time in Japan, (I suggest you try it one day. ) you start to understand their thought process, line of thinking, and general aims..... and it is much less imitation, than artistic representation.
If you don't want to do that - then that's fine too ..... how about just respecting the integrity of this forum, and the art itself, and remember that no one is above the attempts of others in this common pursuit of creating an aesthetic tree.
In short, pull your head in.
I've had a gut-full of the self-proclaimed experts ragging on other's work in the pursuit of a self-ego-boost.
Constructive criticism is welcome, sure.... but I thought this forum was supposed to be about helping and encouraging all others?
I make no apologies for loving the Japanese bonsai aesthetics and the reasoning behind it..... it is what first attracted me to this hobby.
Oh FFS.KIRKY wrote: ↑May 19th, 2020, 9:51 pm Rubbish!!!
This all went down hill after this post!
Beer, smiley face and wink emoji don’t cover up the underlying attack. I was offended by it, but let it go. Before this it was all still civil opinions being expressed.
Ok, you have gone to Japan big deal, lived in Japan big deal. What makes you think your the only one? Its a pity you didn’t pick up on more of their culture. None would behave as below.
And now Treeman is vilified! You’ve got to be joking!
Refresh your memories everyone.
You don’t need to apologise for loving Japanese Bonsai aesthetics. Just stop rubbing everyones nose’s in it. The fertiliser a bit thick!
Oh and on a personal note look up diplomacy.
All better
Cheers
Kirky
Over n Out!