Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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Hey All,

Noticed a development site near me, with 4 large Cypress Pines that are tagged to be removed ... is this something that's worth pursuing? All four trees are at least 5-8m tall, 5 years old+. Need to get permission, and access to assess further, just curious what the consensus would be?

a) grab them all
b) depends on each tree
c) don't bother

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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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they would have to have some very interesting and very low movement
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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There are a number of species that are sometimes called cypress. Do you know what species these are?

Every dig should depend on the individual tree. Large straight trunks are seldom worth collecting. Trees with no low branches are seldom worth collecting (except maybe literati style)
Your idea of large could be different to mine but I really doubt that large cypress will be worth getting but that's just :imo:

I have not been successful with any of the things I know as cypress so be prepared for low survival rates if you go ahead.
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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According to the report, they're just listed as "Cupressus sp. (Cypress Pine)" with trunk diamaters ranging from 200-375mm ... mmm, so maybe too big?! Curious what they say, and if I can get better access to the property, maybe some other trees available too. Thanks shniu and tgward!
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200- 375 is pretty thick. Allow about 3 times that for pot size = 600-1m diameter pots or boxes, possibly bigger initially as cupressus don't seem to like root reduction like trident maple. You thought that trident was too big!!!!
I think they would be much better as landscape transplants.
There could well be other better plants the owner/developer has overlooked - smaller shrubs that nobody bothers with.
Azaleas are great for bonsai. Older azaleas with thick trunks are even better for bonsai and azaleas transplant really well any time of year. Can be trunk chopped to bare wood and still sprout new shoots.
Most callistemon and melaleucas also transplant well and respond to trunk chop with masses of new shoots.
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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I never heard back if I could get permission ... had emailed the aborist listed on the DA plans. Is there some rivalry between aborist and bonsai artists I'm not aware of??? Hehe.

Ah well, on a similar note, found another site, with a friendly owner, who says these trees, "Pencil Pines", are to be removed in January, and I can take them ... noting that these might not be as successful as other species, wonder if it's worth a try?

There's six trees, each vary in trunk diameter from about an inch to 3 inches, all about 2-3m tall.
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

Post by Raging Bull »

Hi legoman, I doubt that they are "pencil pines" :shake: as they are not growing at all like pencil pines. I have a cypress which has very similar foliage and even though I can't remember which variety of cypress it was, it definitely wasn't a pencil pine. It 's doing well as a bonsai. If you can get enough roots to keep them alive they should be good to make into bonsai. Good luck.
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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I agree with RB - that habitus is not particularly reminiscent of a pencil!
I think they’re fake cypress (Chamaecyparus). Sounds like transplant and hard prune are reasonably doable, from my brief Google. Depends if you like the tree enough to go through with it, I guess!
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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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Thanks for the feedback!

Fake Cypress?! Never knew such a thing existed, though must admit my knowledge of tree species is mostly confined to what I own, haha.

Ok, so ... "could work" seems to be the consensus? The price is right, and think they may not have a better home to go to. Might try and take the 2 smallest ones and see how they go then.

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Re: Potential Cypress Pine Dig

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It could be leylandi cypress I had dug up one straight trunk and all and pulled through. Using it more to understand how cypress behave and a bit of carving practice...good luck with the dig, it doesn't cost you anything but can give you valuable lessons and who knows might surprise yourself in the end too.
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