Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

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Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

Post by alpineart »

This was a Tanuki i did quite some time ago . Its been allowed to run riot then trimmed
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for a couple of season and has just had its major work over . The apex didn't fuse together , that being the case i have unwound it
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and lowered the apex to allow more of the deadwood above the apex to be seen .
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Another couple of seasons and i might just call it a bonsai.

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Re: Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

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How is the attachment to the wood going? It has always seemed to me that juniper does not really grow and heal the way it has always theorized- does not truly "grab" the deadwood and long-term its really hard to pull one of these off.
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sekibonsai wrote:How is the attachment to the wood going? It has always seemed to me that juniper does not really grow and heal the way it has always theorized- does not truly "grab" the deadwood and long-term its really hard to pull one of these off.
Hi Mate , these are Enbedded into a groove carved into the dead wood . I dont peel the bark off and try to fuse it to the wood , it doesn't happen that way . I use stainless steel or solid brass screws to anchor the live trunk to the dead wood in certain area's that need holding . If the groove is snug enough the live plant will thicken over time and after filling the groove out it will roll over the dead wood and conceal the groove . If a plant is wound around an object it constricts as it grows holding tighter and tighter, its actually held on by constriction not adhesion .

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Re: Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

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Hi Alpine might look like this one in 600 years ... :P :lol: :tu:
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Great tree. My next project is also one of these however i just need to find some deadwood first. Bring on the next big Sydney storm and i will be scouring all the beaches.
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Hi Anntal63 , mate with a Shimpaku 5-10 years it is achievable ,Sabina Junipers a very slow compared to Shimp's and don't back bud as well :shake: . In 600 years i'd want the real deal , but i certainly wouldn't be the beneficiary :( . If you can't collect it you must create it , in there lay's the challenge of creativity :tu: . Rarely can we collect material anything like the folks from up top , therefore one must create what one can't buy . :tounge:

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k2bonsai wrote:Great tree. My next project is also one of these however i just need to find some deadwood first. Bring on the next big Sydney storm and i will be scouring all the beaches.
Hi k2bonsai , mate its a worthwhile challenge to get a stick and a plant and create a unique piece of work . It does take time and there are many lessons to be learned from giving anything a go . Good luck , hopefully that big storm won't eventuate to do untold damage .

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alpineart wrote:Hi Anntal63 , mate with a Shimpaku 5-10 years it is achievable ,Sabina Junipers a very slow compared to Shimp's and don't back bud as well :shake: . In 600 years i'd want the real deal , but i certainly wouldn't be the beneficiary :( . If you can't collect it you must create it , in there lay's the challenge of creativity :tu: . Rarely can we collect material anything like the folks from up top , therefore one must create what one can't buy . :tounge:

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.. another nice piece of work on the Alpines

:lol: @ 600 years Antman.. I must ad I have several that are light years away or perhaps if I had just started 10 years back and ground them I might have few to show n tell

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Hi Anttal63 , me on face book , mate that site and twitter are a waste of time and space . I have much better things to do with my time than troll through that type of rubbish .My blog get a lot of replies from twits but at least i can sensor it so it doesn't offend anybody or damage the Ausbonsi Site . I cop a bit of flak , but its mostly from twits or Faces looking for 5 minutes of fame . Not here to please anyone , just hope i contribute something .I'm inspired and motivated by the members here , good , bad and indifferent . :wave:

Hi The Specimen , thanks mate its a relatively young work in progress with 597 years to go :tu: .

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Re: Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

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alpine :clap:

very nice mate :tu:

when you screw the juni in place i can see that a lot of the screws are next to the
juni being attached which holds in it place i'm guessing because it puts
sideways pressure and keys it into the grooves?
do you ever screw through the trunk into the deadwood and let it heal over?
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Alpine, great work as always.

Look forward to the future of this tree. :fc:

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Hi Matty-j , mate the screws are used to hold it in as you say then when the trunk thickens they can be removed . I have screwed thicker material through the trunk , a pilot hole is a must or they split quite easily . It hard to find very thin stainless or brass screws when working young material so the alternative is to use 1 or 2 either side to hold it tight . In the past i have used cable ties however the screws to a better job .

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Hi MoGanic , Mate this one has a bright future , it is the younger of the 2 Sabina grafts i have done . The needle juniper is also very slow growing . Now i have a good supplier of Shimpaku i would not hesitate to make or create a few more .

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Re: Phoenix grafted Savin Juniper #2

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Definitely does, looks great already mate.
Have a look at this old dead wood I have, would love to use it for a tanuki/phoenix.. thoughts?
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