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manchurian pear tree

Post by Keels » October 2nd, 2013, 1:17 pm

I recently purchased this tree of a guy on gumtree, he was selling his bonsais as he didn’t want them anymore. I picked up the pear tree which he had been training in bonsai for a while. Story goes he had this tree in his front yard and a bloke with a bob cat working at his joint which automatically trimmed the trunk for him. So he decided to make it into a bonsai.
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So anyway there was a large stump of deadwood coming out of the top just were the braches started, so i created a large jin out of it. There was also a dead section in the middle of the trunk so i craved this out as well to make it more interesting. Then i just trimmed the branches that were not required and wired up the branches. I then transferred it into a new pot, with a new front as you can see in the pictures attached. I might buy some wood harder to finish off the jin and the other hole i craved. I wouldn't mind know how to make the jin look older in color, if you know what i mean. This is by far the best tree in my collection now. I don’t know if it would ever get fruit but we'll see.
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Anyway what do you guys think? Im a little inexperienced but i think ive pulled off a pretty good job i think :D
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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by time8theuniverse » October 2nd, 2013, 2:38 pm

Nice tree. A good start at the very least.

If you wanted to bleach the wood to make it look older you can use lime sulfur. You would paint on the lime sulfur and then leave it in the sun to bleach and after that you would harden the wood.
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Post by Keels » October 2nd, 2013, 2:43 pm

might be a silly question but where would i buy lime sulfur in canberra :)
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Post by Drac0 » October 2nd, 2013, 3:06 pm

Most garden centres or hardware stores, including the big green shed. Yates make it in 500ml bottles which you usually find with the insecticides/pest & disease control.

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You can find a good article about using lime sulphur over at Bonsai4Me.

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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by Keels » October 29th, 2017, 4:21 pm

Just a little update on this tree. Sometimes i dont know why i bother with this tree. But i continue to push on with it. Ive been attempting to grow branches lower down on the trunk and attempting to reduced the overall height as well. The pot i re-potted the tree into this past winter decided to break off on one side so ive just done a quick repaired lol

As you can see the right side branches died off after i attempted to get growth happening closer to the trunk.
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three new branches...just going to grow them out for a while
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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by Keels » May 8th, 2020, 6:21 pm

Just a little update on my old buddy here. Ive been focusing one getting some size into those new branches. Also started growing a few extra to fill a few spots.

I also craved the center out but it didn't come out as i expected. My craving skills back in 2017 were crap but I've been practicing alot lately. I'm thinking of attempting it again to make it look a little more natural.

Tree as of today.
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Current size. As you can see its come down a lot since 2013.
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My new branches are progressing well.

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Rear.
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Plus my new top ive been growing out as well.
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Let me know what you think. Happy to take ideas on how to make the front look more interesting.

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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by SquatJar » May 8th, 2020, 7:14 pm

well done, it has progressed nicely and added some age with the bark. I don't think your apex will be anywhere near as high as it is now, normally each cut back is shorter than the previous one so you've set up your apex height by the previous cut. For now though keep growing those branches to smooth out the taper.

Saying that if you like the tall wiggly apex then go for it, there are no rules, just design guidelines that exist because they normally result in an aesthetically pleasing image
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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by MJL » May 8th, 2020, 9:42 pm

Hey Keels,

I hope you're well. Mate - I am pretty much stumped by your pear? And as you know, I generally deal in twigs compared to your collection of stumps - so I'm not in a great position to offer advice but because we know each other... I will.

I can't see much of a future in the squiggly top and there appears reverse taper developing in the marked area in the photo below also.
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I then found this thread and I thought there might be some ideas in that for you to consider. https://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t733 ... to-proceed

You posted a photo with numbers on it... and I don't reckon the tree needs too keep much above branch 4

RE: carving... I don't mind the shari at the front, looks ok to me.

Of course... it is much easier to offer bold comments/cuts when the tree is not mine! ;)
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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by Keels » May 8th, 2020, 10:11 pm

MJL wrote:
May 8th, 2020, 9:42 pm
Hey Keels,

I hope you're well. Mate - I am pretty much stumped by your pear? And as you know, I generally deal in twigs compared to your collection of stumps - so I'm not in a great position to offer advice but because we know each other... I will.

I can't see much of a future in the squiggly top and there appears reverse taper developing in the marked area in the photo below also.manchurian-rear.jpeg

I then found this thread and I thought there might be some ideas in that for you to consider.

You posted a photo with numbers on it... and I don't reckon the tree needs too keep much above branch 4

RE: carving... I don't mind the shari at the front, looks ok to me.

Of course... it is much easier to offer bold comments/cuts when the tree is not mine! ;)
Thanks for the input Mark, Appreciate it . I'm doing well, started a new job so lifes been less stressful. Hope you n the family are safe from this coronavirus crap.

This tree has been very difficult for me to work out a future direction. As you can see from the history its a difficult tree.

I didn't see that taper issues were developing in that area... Good spot :tu: ill fix that easy

i never thought to remove everything above branch 4, so its got me thinking thats a possibility. The squiggly top i wired 12 months ago to see if i could create a more interesting line but it doesn't really work... Does it!

I'll think on it a little more n look at that link. I'll post some drawings what i come up with. Cheers Mark.
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Re: manchurian pear tree

Post by shibui » May 9th, 2020, 5:58 am

Note that the swollen spot on the upper trunk is associated with 2 branches growing close together.
Just shows the importance of pruning to reduce multiple branches. It is always tempting to keep more branches, especially when you've been working on building ramification but clusters of branches inevitably produce bulges and fast growing trees produce bulges fast.
The new apex branch is typical of many trees developed quickly. A new branch wired up and shaped will inevitably lack taper. Wired curves rarely match the lower bends which are more random because they have been produced by pruning. I find the best strategy is to replace the top in several stages by grow and cut with strategic wiring to direct each new extension. The grow and cut produces far better taper and can introduce more pleasing changes in direction.
Fortunately you have options to replace that apex. Either branch 4 as MJL pointed out or maybe reduce it back to the one(s) above 4 which I think is the paired branches referred to above. Hopefully the cutting will relieve the reverse taper but if not 4 can be the fallback.

Looks to me like the biggest issue in the shari is the flat top on it. Carving a bit deeper up there would probably make a big difference. In the wild trunks don't always rot in a smooth, even curve either so a few grooves and hollows in the dead wood may also help it look more natural. I know from experience that is easier said than done but try the smaller bits to carve one or more deeper lines down the existing shari.
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