Cat among the Shohin

[Pup]

Being pedantic. On this forum or Club or site. We have a lot of people post what they call Bonsai it is only in a Bonsai pot but it is commented on by many of us here.

Which brings me to the point of training previous. No prior training what so ever I note some trees entered in the Shohin competition, are in Bonsai Pots, that is the start of training, as far as I see it. Because a tree that had a wire to train a leader, then was trunk chopped below that leader. Was deemed inadmissable as it had had wire on it. Not after the trunk chop was any part of the wire, left or added. Also again getting pedantic I have a struck cutting that has wire marks from when it was the top of the tree it was taken from. It has never had wire on since it was struck.
This is why I decided not to enter, because all what I have, in my interpitation of this rule, have had work prior to the 1st of September.

What I am saying is any thing that was taken from a previous Bonsai. Has had prior training in some shape or form.

So if I was a judge in this competition one of the Bosses would be gone.
Remember just my opinion and like anus's we all have one.
Good luck to all who have entered. Pup

[Matthew]

pup
Yep i think you throw that bloody cat among the pigions sometimes but we are all intitled to views especially someone who has been doing bonsai over 20 years and has contributed a wealth of knowledge to this forum and the bonsai community in general. I tend to agree with you on this I plan to enter tonight ,jez im cutting it short . i think most people who entered didnt mean to break the rules and simply lost what exactly the rules are. Im a little confused myself but im entering a tree prior trunk chopped with a new leader , i havent touches the roots but having been bought from a bonsai nursery sometime ago root work would of been done. am i still allowed to enter

[ozzy]

Pup mate you misjudge the purpose of this Bonsai site, its not here to raise Australian Bonsai to the highest level its here to lower Bonsai standards to a crappy acceptable level thats just slightly above pot plant culture, its all about quantity not quality ... ie. the 100 000 posts thread, 90 000 posts of which were a load of shari containing 2 dollar sticks in pots, its about time the purveyors of bad bonsai that frequent this site were mercilessly flogged back into Burkes back yard were they belong so that the rest of us can concentrate on getting some some real fair dinkum Aussie bonsai trees that the traditional creators of Bonsai can at least take a second look at instead of gagging, of course I won't hold my breath on that one though

[Pup]

G,day Matthew, I am not good at showing veiw topics. If you go to page 6 of the questions after the rules were posted you will see what I mean about trunk chop not qualifying.

Ozzy you have been around a bit too, and if like me you have poked your nose in on other sites, around the world you will notice a lot of beginners have a look also. Then they join and start asking the questions we get asked here. Unfortunately this happens on all sites, this one is no exception. What we have to do is teach them by example.
If the people who are entering this Competition that I am referring to were, to look at decent Shohin Mame and Shito and believe, they can achieve what they see. Then we have done some good.
However there are some that definitely will not make it in 14 months or ever. We should still encourage so that they do get better.
I also agree in the sence of naivety, about what you are saying.

Cheers Pup.

[Matthew]

forget the cat ozzy just throw a lion in

[phantom]

Ozzy this is the first time i have read something and thought how true this is ,your last statement are what alot of people think but wont say. phantom

[TheNumber13]

Ozzy;
Not all of us have a decade or more experience. If we don't post up here to get advice and help, how are we going to be able to meet your standards at any time in the future? Your post is the first negative thing I have read on this site; If you want to be an elitist, please do it somewhere that does not exist, at least in part, to help new or unskilled people.

[MattA]

post was deleted.....

[Spoony]

Ozzy;
Not all of us have a decade or more experience. If we don't post up here to get advice and help, how are we going to be able to meet your standards at any time in the future? Your post is the first negative thing I have read on this site; If you want to be an elitist, please do it somewhere that does not exist, at least in part, to help new or unskilled people.

Agreed.

[Bretts]

Yes Ozzy I do love your frank take on things after getting used to your comments

But I think getting personal Matt is really not an acceptable way to talk on here. We all come from different walks of life and culture and think tolerance of all is very important.

[Pup]

. Explain to me why this tree was not exceptable.

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This question was asked and answered as being not exceptable, Why

This is why the question was posed. As I stated I have some very nice Shohin, and I have been told by people considered as Masters.

They are world standard so I am happy just to have the ones I have and not compete here.

Pup

[MattA]

Yes Ozzy I do love your frank take on things after getting used to your comments

But I think getting personal Matt is really not an acceptable way to talk on here. We all come from different walks of life and culture and think tolerance of all is very important.

The post was deleted instead of simply editing the last paragraph out... Seeig as you want to further make this a personal issue .....Tolerance is important as you state... show me any of it in the start of this thread??????

[Craig]

Yes Ozzy I do love your frank take on things after getting used to your comments

But I think getting personal Matt is really not an acceptable way to talk on here. We all come from different walks of life and culture and think tolerance of all is very important.

Thankyou Brett

[MattA]

. Explain to me why this tree was not exceptable.

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This question was asked and answered as being not exceptable, Why

This is why the question was posed. As I stated I have some very nice Shohin, and I have been told by people considered as Masters.

They are world standard so I am happy just to have the ones I have and not compete here.

Pup

Pup as far as my understanding of the rules I dont see why this was not allowed, it hasw not been styled it hasnt even had purposeful pretraining. Just a chop.... It would have been good to have you enter as we all know the standard of your trees

[ozzy]

Ozzy;
Not all of us have a decade or more experience. If we don't post up here to get advice and help, how are we going to be able to meet your standards at any time in the future? Your post is the first negative thing I have read on this site; If you want to be an elitist, please do it somewhere that does not exist, at least in part, to help new or unskilled people.

I have given you advice on how to turn your pot plant into a real Bonsai in the true Japanese traditions but you haven't listened, instead you are trying to ******* one thousand years of Bonsai tradition to suit your boring plant, you are not interested in advice you are only interested in disgracing the true bonsai masters by claiming that you currently have a bonsai.