[soda] Ash eWorkshop

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I have taken some updated pictures and will load tomorrow. I got motivated and defoliated and wired prior to gaining selection. This should not be seen as me wanting to detract from your thoughts and ideas Grant.

It does have some similarites to your Hawthorn is some ways.

A few older links I can use and some background to kick things off.

As first observed at a development site in 2006.

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I hacked at it over the years and collected it proper in August 2011. The hacking probably resulted in two sharis.

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I got the rootball down to get it into this pot where it lived for a year.

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Into a pot last spring.

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Never felt happy with the 'daughter' and after advice in a earlier post I went for a branch option.

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It has some nice flare and spreading finger roots one side (under the lean, thou not visible in this set of pics). The opposite has neither, in fact it has 1.5cm reverse taper which can just be seen in the pics which the Ash workshops were chosen from. This is probably due to no cork bark below a point. I did try to start some root action in this area by toothpick method, but it could be a long journey to improve this. To bring any root up, would mean increasing the lean and highlighting the flaw. Whilst on taper, the larger shari introduces reverse taper as it probably costs a section of tree half its true width. I had often thought I may be able to work this shari up into the obvious huge cut, hollow out maybe? This may reduce the width of the truck between the chop and the shari.

Photos to load tomorrow showing defoliation and wired are a significant change. It screams out for some ramification which I hope I can learn through your advice Grant. Thanks again, soda
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Looking forward to whats next.

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The views.
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And shari close ups
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Base
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The base pics show 3 matches in a vain root attempt. I also did note some rot which would like advice on how to deal with.

Will add an overhead.
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Thanks for the close ups; lots to consider.

Re root rot; if you can cut back or clean out back to healthy wood then do so.

How is the soil in the pot? Is it causing problems that might require a repot right now?

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It was repotted last in 50% 5mm blue metal (same as on surface) and 50% bonsai mix. There remains however much heavier original material around the root ball which may have led to the rot. In addition I recently discovered an opening at the base of the larger shari with fed moisture down internally. I have since plugged this with cut paste and matches.
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Hoping ppl's aren't reeling in horror!
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soda wrote:It was repotted last in 50% 5mm blue metal (same as on surface) and 50% bonsai mix. There remains however much heavier original material around the root ball which may have led to the rot. In addition I recently discovered an opening at the base of the larger shari with fed moisture down internally. I have since plugged this with cut paste and matches.
OK,

I find mixes that have a high percentage of blue metal hold to much water; too many flat surfaces to hold the water between. This plus a fine bonsai mix will inevitably stay too wet.

Keep on the dry side till spring then we will repot. We could do a bare root wash then.

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eye eye capt'n

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Hi Soda,

I have been studying the tree and decided to have a close look at the base.
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Based on the base only; how it leaves the ground and how it appears to roll over and not look as stable from some angles; I think the best view of the base is from SA3 and SA4. What do you think?

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The flare to the left in view 4 is nice as is the tree profile. However the surface roots are now to the rear and the one main branches extends to the viewer. Halfway between view 2 and view three has both the surface roots to the left, the flare to the right. The branch then would leave at say 2 o'clock, this could work if the lesser/lower growth was pursued in preference to the current as it would be closer to 3 o'clock and a better first branch position. I will try to get an image tomorrow when I return from o/s. thanks Grant.
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Hi Grant

Below is the front as described. The lower two branches on the right clash in this profile but look better in person. As mentioned the large branch leaves slightly towards the rear. This (only large) branch is a decisive bugger. Apologies for the poorly focused overhead. I will try to have another crack if this view is important in decision making.
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With this tree we need to treat the low, upwards growing branch on the right as a second trunk or cut it off; it cannot be bent into a realistic low branch as it is too low.

Do you agree? Treat as a secondary trunk? If so I would wire up one of the small branches as a secondary apex.

Note on wiring. Each turn around the branch seems very close together, I think the gauge chosen is a bit light and not doing the job properly. It acts as a type of spring instead of bending correctly.

I would rewire; using a heavier gauge and wire further apart. I would also bend down the branches right up close to the trunk.

I would also shorten the apex; down to the two light upward branches.

I will do a sketch.

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After shorten apex a little, rewire and bend branches, and secondary trunk

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Thanks Grant will do. Bending one of the shoots up as the 2nd leader may be a challenge based on where they exit?
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Can you suggest a cut point & new top leader from one of the images?
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