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MattA wrote:

Andrew Legg wrote:If it's gonna be dozed, there's simply no debate mate.

Case Closed!

The most stupid part of the whole system is that until the dozers have done the deed, an individual can be fined for removing native plants from the locale!!!

I was just reading up on how this works in my area, and it's pretty much the same. Developers are required to tag every piece of vegetation over a certain size before removing it, and you get fined if you're caught transporting stuff that isn't tagged. Fines can go up to $150,000 USD!

Supposedly though a lot of them do dig up the material and sell it. Have to find where to get in on that. I think the main thing they're worried about here though are the cactus, I have a hunch a lot of the trees are still just plowed right under.

Overpopulation of our species. Infinite expansion on a planet with finite resources. Primary production ignored for short term gains, for our species only, at the cost of all others.

I have heard that as well. What happens if you have appropriate permissions?

MattA wrote:...
The most stupid part of the whole system is that until the dozers have done the deed, an individual can be fined for removing native plants from the locale!!!

Furthermore, while they were being removed, how can one gain access to the site? New safety regulations required the site to the fenced off while being worked on. I am not sure if the people in charge are likely to let strangers in, if anything happens, it is their liabilities?

Regards.

I agree that collecting plants earmarked for removal is ok. The trouble is we, as human beings, are very prone to justifying our actions and will often go just a bit further.
--I know that really good one is outside the area but it IS really great and I'm only taking one.. or 2....
--Just taking that one won't hurt the environment......
Our reasons and justifications can be endless.

Some of the natural waterswept callistemons in the Ovens river that I used as inspiration for my waterswept style are now gone. None of these were endangered except by the environment that created them. They were collected by a member of Ausbonsai and none survived the transplant. Now no-one gets the inspiration I got from seeing these trees in the context that created them.
This is just one of the reasons I am against promoting collection of native material.

That is a sad story Shibui.
And so too is the development Matt.
On the collection of the Callistemon, that is downright selfish.
The development thing is a little selfish too though as we all live somewhere that was once unique and untouched by a pick and shovel. To deny other people this is almost as bad as the Callistemon incident.
The trick is to work out a balance and hope that it works out.
My take on it is to collect some seed or a cutting if I am collecting from the wild. If the material doesn't make it there is no real loss.
Anyway, I can see this topic going right off the rails

Damian Bee wrote:That is a sad story Shibui.
And so too is the development Matt.
On the collection of the Callistemon, that is downright selfish.
The development thing is a little selfish too though as we all live somewhere that was once unique and untouched by a pick and shovel. To deny other people this is almost as bad as the Callistemon incident.
The trick is to work out a balance and hope that it works out.
My take on it is to collect some seed or a cutting if I am collecting from the wild. If the material doesn't make it there is no real loss.
Anyway, I can see this topic going right off the rails

Well said damo
Sometimes people forget how life realy works. When it comes to humans , society and civilization there is no wrong or right its all about what works!

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If they are going to get bulldozed then whats wrong with digging them up at least they will have some sought of chance of survival,(people have got to live somewhere) I have got a Captain Cook in my back yard and have seedling sprouting up all over the place. I reckon they are a bit of a weed.
But I agree, don`t damage the natural habitat as there are plenty around on private property to take either cuttings and airlayers off and then the original tree can survive and produce little ones like in my backyard.

Agreed, its all about finding a happy medium. My thinking is, that if its going to be destroyed or bulldozed, then its fair game. I personally wouldn't touch anything out in the 'wild' though, especially not at my level of skill.