AusBonsai

Although i find sometimes the explanations of the art a little over the "philosophical" top ( maybe just because I am not enough philosophically IQ adcanced), I really do enjoy the pot. The pot showcase the tree ( maybe not the current one though...) and the tree would too showcase it.
For what it's worth...
Pierre

Personally I like the pot-maybe we should come up with some ideas for the artist as to what they could've displayed instead.
I'm thinking one minimally windswept pine or similar, some chunky gravel-like a barren moonscape.

I personally don't like the pot (gives me the impression of being a bunch of ideas thrown together... I'm no artist in case you were wondering), however the fact that it is something totally different from the Bonsai norm I find exciting. Provided the mechanics of Bonsai can be accommodated (drainage, tie down points, inherent stability etc) then let's give artists free rein.

Same. (Well said.)

Too shiny. If it was a bright shiny Proper Bonsai pot I wouldn't like it either. He hasn't thought through the implications of nature, age, and complex textures and lines. It's a very fine Modern Design Object indeed, but I don't think old complicated trees sit well with streamlined and polished. Oranges maybe.

Thanks for posting. Food for thought.

Google "Peter Voulkos" for some modern pottery that would go very well with native bonsai, I think, but those worlds haven't got together yet.

Gavin

Well I am sitting here laughing .

even though most believe the tree is wrong for the pot , or the pot is wrong for the tree. "does it really matter".
we see many design combinations that are not for us. the designer did what he wanted, not what you wanted.
AND GUESS WHAT !!!!! we are all now talking about it, so he has succeeded in getting your attention.

the bonsai was not the main part of the design, and as a sales pitch does , it pulled you in.

yes we all have the right to say but come on ART is ART .

joann

Joan,

I'm all for good art, but this whole thing of "it got you talking therefore it's art" is not good enough for me. The question is whether it got you talking because it's great or just because it's rubbish and one is debating it's contribution to art? I believe someone has dropped a few coils (not the pottery kind) in the Tate modern, and now everyone is saying it's art because it has created a storm. Problem is, it's not art, it's just cr*p (literally and figuratively). Controversy does not equal art.

This particular piece . . . . In my mind it does not work. There is not a sufficient commitment to the tree and how it relates to the pot. That mallsai has been put in there because it's what he could find, not because it worked with the pot. Central to bonsai is how the pot relates to and compliments the tree. This has been woefully missed in this case. The artist thought . . ooooooo . . . I have this cool idea . . . . and then he made a cool thingy, and then he went looking for a tree and he could not find one so he just stuck anything in the pot.

Would I like the pot? Sure, but I would not waste it by putting a bonsai in it. A Zen sand garden with a mini rake, maybe. Or even a small bright fish. It's cool on it's own, but as a bonsai pot . . . . not so much. At least, not in my book.

future flying Japanese manga with floating parks and other bits and pieces it is combing a few different japanese culture aspects together. would I buy one no. Do i think it is suited to the tree pot no. Do I think it may end up looking interesting and different with another tree possibly. Would i like to see someone attempt putting a decent and proper tree in it definitely. For as rigid as Bonsai can be it is still free flowing growing and slowly changing. It is a living art. You dont have to like anothers work to appreciate parts of it. You can be passionate about not liking something with out being overly critical. If you cant find appreciation in others art how can they find appreciation in yours. Though I feel I will no doubt be wasting my time with those that most need to hear it.

artist's vision?

still not sure ...

cre8ivbonsai wrote:artist's vision?

still not sure .

Star trekking across the Universe in the Star ship "Enterprise" with a great big bloody old tree stuck on my back.

Okay , as usual, I couldn't help myself and have asked Adrian Magu to come onto ausbonsai to explain himself,
as to why he didn't get your opinions before he posted his design
I do hope he does , everyone deserves the right to defend themself.



joann

fae wrote:Great pot, possibly not the best tree to show off it's beauty.

I could imagine a literati pine.



Fiona

Needs to be a windswept

Cool pot.

Paul

I'd be interested to know the story behind the pyramid wedges at the end of the pot.... Abstract?

cre8ivbonsai wrote:

artist's vision?

still not sure ...

I think that pot with that old looking virtual that cre8ivebonsai has done would look fantastic in an office building with ample light, like in their courtyard area or something. I love it. Sorry if its not to others' liking, but it has a very modern industrial feel to it. I'll bet he didn't include a drainage hole though.

It just takes my mind off to a sleek space world, where bonsai are kept as ultimate status symbols in our future space stations. Very different and I like it.

joannm wrote:Okay , as usual, I couldn't help myself and have asked Adrian Magu to come onto ausbonsai to explain himself,
as to why he didn't get your opinions before he posted his design
I do hope he does , everyone deserves the right to defend themself.



joann

LOL - Good idea Joan. It seems that most of us actually like it, but just not for bonsai, or at least just not for that "bonsai". I don;t think he has much explaining to do to us really. I'm getting the feeling that this is like someone who designs a beautiful post modern frame for a painting, and then through lack of options puts in just any old paining through lack of choice. A pot and a bonsai need to complement each other and the emphasis should normally be in the tree, although, given that this is more about the pot design and less about the bonsai, I can understand that balance lying elsewhere. I'm liking the image of the old tree in the virt though. The age in the tree and the ultramodernism clash so much that they actually kinda work in my eyes.

I'd have thought a windswept tree and a chromed Sphynx would be interesting. The pot becomes part of the structure used to create the typical bonsai display of three items. Tree and two others.

Ho hum.

bodhidharma wrote:

cre8ivbonsai wrote:artist's vision?

still not sure .

Star trekking across the Universe in the Star ship "Enterprise" with a great big bloody old tree stuck on my back.

That comment reminds me of this song Thanks Bodhi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE



Ken