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Japh wrote:I think supply and demand have an impact also. If someone is asking $2000 for a tree, and you know of just as good trees for $500 simply because demand is low, then the person asking $2000 will never get it (although, sometimes people perceive value in price... i.e. it's expensive so it must be better).

I get the feeling that possibly in Tasmania, Bonsai are undervalued compared with other states. I haven't seen any Bonsai down here for higher than $1500, and those were quite magnificent specimens.

As such, I won't be guessing a price on this one, as I'm unqualified at this point. This thread is a great education though!

Japh you are the one who should read Jamie's run down on what he See's as why you go for what you do perceive to be a good tree.
As far as supply and demand go in Bonsai I certainly do not look on it that way. I and I know others put a price on a tree. That is the price. It can sit there till it sells.

When I was in the UK I was fortunate enough to stay with Peter Chan. I saw tree's the priced at 30.000 pounds I was gobsmacked.
the day before we left to go touring he sold 4 of them. They had been sitting there in some cases ten years.

The marketplace will have an influence but not just in a strict supply and demand sense, more in the way that art prices will fluctuate as the economic climate varies. How much is someone willing to pay, and is there someone else who is willing to pay more?
How do you put a price on art? A fair price would need to consider the cost of production, but the actual price will reflect the aesthetic appeal and uniqueness.

Pup wrote:Japh you are the one who should read Jamie's run down on what he See's as why you go for what you do perceive to be a good tree.

I'm not sure what you mean here, sorry Pup. It sounds like you're rebuking something I said, but I can't see what...

Pup wrote:As far as supply and demand go in Bonsai I certainly do not look on it that way. I and I know others put a price on a tree. That is the price. It can sit there till it sells.

When I was in the UK I was fortunate enough to stay with Peter Chan. I saw tree's the priced at 30.000 pounds I was gobsmacked.
the day before we left to go touring he sold 4 of them. They had been sitting there in some cases ten years.

Wow, that's incredible! I guess I can only go by what I've personally seen, and you guys are doing a great job of opening up my eyes!

Pup,
What size is the tree?

Thanks

Japh wrote:

Pup wrote:Japh you are the one who should read Jamie's run down on what he See's as why you go for what you do perceive to be a good tree.

I'm not sure what you mean here, sorry Pup. It sounds like you're rebuking something I said, but I can't see what...

Pup wrote:As far as supply and demand go in Bonsai I certainly do not look on it that way. I and I know others put a price on a tree. That is the price. It can sit there till it sells.

When I was in the UK I was fortunate enough to stay with Peter Chan. I saw tree's the priced at 30.000 pounds I was gobsmacked.
the day before we left to go touring he sold 4 of them. They had been sitting there in some cases ten years.

Wow, that's incredible! I guess I can only go by what I've personally seen, and you guys are doing a great job of opening up my eyes!

Japh you said you would not be guessing a price. I merely pointed out how Jamie arrived at his summation of what he looks for then puts a price no rebuke was intended, if it came across that way.

buddaboy wrote:Pup,
What size is the tree?

Thanks

Buddaboy I will post them tomorrow when i put up the pic as it is now.
Any way its dark out there and I am frit of the dark

No Problemo my friend.

Pup wrote:Japh you said you would not be guessing a price. I merely pointed out how Jamie arrived at his summation of what he looks for then puts a price no rebuke was intended, if it came across that way.

Ah! Haha, sorry! Yes, I read his post... still not confident that I would even be in the ball park.

As promised an up date these were taken half an hour ago. The coke can is for size comparison. The size of the trunk at ground level is 100mm
The height of the tree is 500mm something else to take in to consideration.

The culture of these tree's is easy they like full sun do not like to dry out but can handle it. Are frost hardy, like to be fertilised.
Handle wire, with one proviso the do not like it past the parallel. They will weaken and die.

I am at the moment trying to do it with the tips rising like with the M, quinquenervia. They are hardy as you can see. A mate has refered to them as the West Australian, Chinese elm they are that hardy. I feed them with an Acid lover's fertiliser alternating with Phostrogen. Fortnightly.

pup,

great sence of age with the flaky bark, the hollow going up the tree describing the harshness this tree has endured over time yet continues to grow.

good taper, fairly even root spead , nothing crossing or unsightly

good branch placement that first lower left hand branch is vital i think for the current design,

nice rounded crown again portraying age.

great health,

good match between pot and tree.

a species im yet to own which makes it appealing to me.

id be happy to pay between $1000 -$1300 for this tree. If air frieght ever comes down alittle consider it bought

ahhhhhhh.... im a bit releived now, others have said around the same price as myself...

Now HAVE we learned anything from this exercise. Apart from sarcasm . I think most posters were clear in what they want to get for there money.
It is clear to me that we are teaching. Which is great, so do not be afraid to keep going as we said it is an exercise. In what people see as the worth of a tree.

Yesterday I was at Peter Odins nursery to pick up some wire. We had a discussion, about pricing as it is important to him for obvious reasons. Bread and Butter have to be put on the table. He said a lot of people Baulk at the $100 stock Black pines, so he shows them the $30 ones the the $ 3-50 seedlings. There answer is but that bigger. His answer is yes 8 years bigger my work my knowledge. So if you want to put in the work buy the $3-50 seedling or the $30 tree.
So you do have to pay for a nursery's man's-- woman's time.

An enthusiast is entitled to some remuneration for there time and knowledge too.
Are they not,and it is usually from them that the good stuff is less than the nursery person's. Simply because there are no overheads. So be prepared to make an offer you see fit. I would not say to some one who came in way too low you bloody fool what are you playing at. I would tell them it is way off what I am asking.

Raph you say that Tassie is different from other States. Not much different from WA. If it was not for our freight cost's my tree's would be going east at a rate I could not keep up with, and I would have no big tree's left to worry about.
I am pleased with this thread. Thank you guy's for your participation and teaching's, and I hope as I said at the beginning you have learnt some thing of value here. Pup

Thanks so much for this thread. I have really found it very insightful and learnt a lot.

I would appreciate any continued postings, or other thread along a similar line too. It helps determine desirable aspects of a Bonsai.

Pup wrote:Now HAVE we learned anything from this exercise. Apart from sarcasm . I think most posters were clear in what they want to get for there money.
It is clear to me that we are teaching. Which is great, so do not be afraid to keep going as we said it is an exercise. In what people see as the worth of a tree.

Yesterday I was at Peter Odins nursery to pick up some wire. We had a discussion, about pricing as it is important to him for obvious reasons. Bread and Butter have to be put on the table. He said a lot of people Baulk at the $100 stock Black pines, so he shows them the $30 ones the the $ 3-50 seedlings. There answer is but that bigger. His answer is yes 8 years bigger my work my knowledge. So if you want to put in the work buy the $3-50 seedling or the $30 tree.
So you do have to pay for a nursery's man's-- woman's time.

An enthusiast is entitled to some remuneration for there time and knowledge too.
Are they not,and it is usually from them that the good stuff is less than the nursery person's. Simply because there are no overheads. So be prepared to make an offer you see fit. I would not say to some one who came in way too low you bloody fool what are you playing at. I would tell them it is way off what I am asking.

Raph you say that Tassie is different from other States. Not much different from WA. If it was not for our freight cost's my tree's would be going east at a rate I could not keep up with, and I would have no big tree's left to worry about.
I am pleased with this thread. Thank you guy's for your participation and teaching's, and I hope as I said at the beginning you have learnt some thing of value here. Pup

this highlighted in red is one thing i was trying to get at, i am glad someone else see's it this way. along with everything else i have said! and yes pup you have done this site a great deal in this thread, it allows people to see the value of things. along with time involved and being pleasing to the eye. it can also be a very personsal choice. one person might like this tree, while another doesnt see anything in it at all (dont get me wrong i am just using it as an example i personally love the tree ).

regards jamie

This thread was started last September, as an exercise in what are trees worth. I put up this tree up, as it had been on hold then returned.
Members were discussing, how you price, and how you put worth on a tree so. I put this one up for the purpose, of seeing what differing members arrive at, what they feel it is worth.

So now we have a few new members may be they would like a stab at it. There is no need to be coy because this was posted as an exercise to see what YOU think.

As I said I had a price that was offered I have also had another offer. So I will not be offended by any comments, other than personal ones.
The other reason is when trees are put in the for sale section, no comment is allowed as to whether the tree is worthy or not of being there.

This is your chance to air your opinion. On a tree and give us your assessment, the tree is a Melaleuca rhaphiophylla, height is 500mm trunk is 100mm.

It was collected from a local swamp 5 years ago the hollow is from bush fires.

So here is the BUMP lets see how we go this time.

Cheers Pup