Re: 5 pine urban yamadori - aka destined for the tip
Posted: July 18th, 2021, 8:16 pm
There are a few species with 3 needles per bunch but most are not common in Victoria or Australia.
P. ponderosa, P. coulteri, P.jefereyi, P. attenuata, P. sabiniana, P. rigida, P. bungeana, P. canariensis, palustris, P. taeda and the much more common (in Australia) P. radiata.
There are a few other species that sometimes have 2 needles and sometimes have 3 or a mix of 2 and 3 needles bundles.
Chances are pretty good that these are P. radiata given that it is so widely planted in agroforestry and parks.
I believe P. radiata is treated as a single flush species.
While pines are RELATIVELY easy to bend don't take that as being elastic. Branches will still snap and break off completely if you bend far enough. Some species like red pine are recognized as being more brittle.
Feeding will improve vigour. Vigour will improve back budding on bare wood. These trees have long bare branches so back budding is going to be important. probably more important than needle length in the short term.
It is important to recognize the difference between DEVELOPMENT and MAINTENANCE in pines. During development needle length is not important. The aim is to build trunk size, Then build taper, then build branches with plenty of ramification. At this stage you need to work on taper and the ramification part.
There are 2 ways to get budding and ramification:
1. grow and cut back hard. You can cut pines back as far as the lowest healthy needles which may involve removing 2 or 3 years growth. New shoots will form in the remaining needles and sometimes from bare wood below.
2. Decandling. New terminal shoots are cut and more buds grow from the base of that shoot. This only gets new, shorter shoots at the terminal end of branches so is best used for maintenance to keep and improve ramification. It does not usually force back budding.
Pinus radiata is one of the pines that back buds more easily. It can sometimes even bud when the trunk is cut to bare wood but don't rely on that. Best to still leave at least a few healthy needles when chopping radiata just in case.
There is so much more to pine care and, as usual for bonsai, many different growers have slightly different methods and all of them claim theirs is the best or only way. These will give you a good chance to try out some and see what works.
Somewhere on Ausbonsai is a thread about radiata I think it was started by Jow so some time invested in searching here could yield some good info.
P. ponderosa, P. coulteri, P.jefereyi, P. attenuata, P. sabiniana, P. rigida, P. bungeana, P. canariensis, palustris, P. taeda and the much more common (in Australia) P. radiata.
There are a few other species that sometimes have 2 needles and sometimes have 3 or a mix of 2 and 3 needles bundles.
Chances are pretty good that these are P. radiata given that it is so widely planted in agroforestry and parks.
I believe P. radiata is treated as a single flush species.
While pines are RELATIVELY easy to bend don't take that as being elastic. Branches will still snap and break off completely if you bend far enough. Some species like red pine are recognized as being more brittle.
Feeding will improve vigour. Vigour will improve back budding on bare wood. These trees have long bare branches so back budding is going to be important. probably more important than needle length in the short term.
It is important to recognize the difference between DEVELOPMENT and MAINTENANCE in pines. During development needle length is not important. The aim is to build trunk size, Then build taper, then build branches with plenty of ramification. At this stage you need to work on taper and the ramification part.
There are 2 ways to get budding and ramification:
1. grow and cut back hard. You can cut pines back as far as the lowest healthy needles which may involve removing 2 or 3 years growth. New shoots will form in the remaining needles and sometimes from bare wood below.
2. Decandling. New terminal shoots are cut and more buds grow from the base of that shoot. This only gets new, shorter shoots at the terminal end of branches so is best used for maintenance to keep and improve ramification. It does not usually force back budding.
Pinus radiata is one of the pines that back buds more easily. It can sometimes even bud when the trunk is cut to bare wood but don't rely on that. Best to still leave at least a few healthy needles when chopping radiata just in case.
There is so much more to pine care and, as usual for bonsai, many different growers have slightly different methods and all of them claim theirs is the best or only way. These will give you a good chance to try out some and see what works.
Somewhere on Ausbonsai is a thread about radiata I think it was started by Jow so some time invested in searching here could yield some good info.