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Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 2:34 pm
by anttal63
jarryd wrote:ken i am not planning on wiring just yet as their is lots of small new buds just starting to develop and are only between 2 - 3 mm in size atm. i dont want to brush these of when wiring as these are what i have been working hard to acheive, also i dont wish to stress the tree anymore now. it shall just rest till next the end of next spring and i will begin its initial styling.
this tree is 11 years older then i am started in 1979 by its previous owner, so i dont want to stuff it up haha but when i have finished its first restyle you guys will understand why this tree excites me
Very good and sound decisions there mate! Best time to wire is late winter - early spring. That tree will love you back big time for allowing it to rest.
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 2:50 pm
by Mojo Moyogi
anttal63 wrote:
I dont know how you guys get to leave wire on pines for so long. mine are cutting in with in 4-5 months.
Super feeding???
Antonio, once the colour washes off our wire, you can leave it on for ages
jarryd wrote: this tree is 11 years older then i am started in 1979 by its previous owner, so i dont want to stuff it up haha but when i have finished its first restyle you guys will understand why this tree excites me
Jarryd, you may have had more birthdays than this tree.
Cheers
Mojo Moyogi
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 2:52 pm
by Mojo Moyogi
TE=Trace Elements
Cheers
Mojo
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 3:08 pm
by Jarrod
I think that any food during autumn and mildly during winter is better than nothing which is what a lot of us are guilty of! I would almost be tempted to leave this guy to grow hard for 12 months. Will give it much more strenght to push new buds when you decandle in the following year.
I know it's hard to leave a tree alone for a year but I think this guy will benefit for it!
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 4:21 pm
by anttal63
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 4:29 pm
by anttal63
Jarrod wrote:I think that any food during autumn and mildly during winter is better than nothing which is what a lot of us are guilty of! I would almost be tempted to leave this guy to grow hard for 12 months. Will give it much more strenght to push new buds when you decandle in the following year.
I know it's hard to leave a tree alone for a year but I think this guy will benefit for it!
So if you gonna go to the trouble of feeding at this time why not do it right??? I will this year do a couple of test trees. One on a normal grow fert regime and the other on low nitro fert only during the late autumn and winter period. I am curious to nail this argument once and for all.
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 5:07 pm
by Jarrod
Can't wait for the results mate.
I would love to know too!
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 5:24 pm
by Bretts
So if you gonna go to the trouble of feeding at this time why not do it right??? I will this year do a couple of test trees. One on a normal grow fert regime and the other on low nitro fert only during the late autumn and winter period. I am curious to nail this argument once and for all.
Not getting scientific on me are you Antonio
I am sorry to say I think it will take more than your little experiment to nail any argument. Not that I knew there was one?
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 1st, 2010, 5:37 pm
by anttal63
Bretts wrote:So if you gonna go to the trouble of feeding at this time why not do it right??? I will this year do a couple of test trees. One on a normal grow fert regime and the other on low nitro fert only during the late autumn and winter period. I am curious to nail this argument once and for all.
Not getting scientific on me are you Antonio
I am sorry to say I think it will take more than your little experiment to nail any argument. Not that I knew there was one?
NO brett just getting practical. No trees wired up to computers. No real argument as such and realistically i dont need any other proof than i already have in my trees but i will carry out this little experiment any way for all the trivia junkies who may be interested. Maybe nothing gained but certainly nothing lost.
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 7:05 am
by jarryd
ill be interested to see the results ant every bit of knowledge gained is another small victory and another step forward
the tree is powering along new buds are already begining to push their new needles
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 8:21 am
by anttal63
jarryd wrote:ill be interested to see the results ant every bit of knowledge gained is another small victory and another step forward
the tree is powering along new buds are already begining to push their new needles
Good to hear jarryd!
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 12:30 pm
by kcpoole
anttal63 wrote:kcpoole wrote:I have not niticed this thread before but it looks healthy
The verticalish Section aboive the first branches does not look mich thinner thana the base of the trunk. Are you thinking to remove this sectoin for taper? and regrowing the top.
I wouldn't be removing any more foliage for now, but if you want to wire, I would put it on now. I have had trees with wire on for up to 18 months no worries
Ken
I dont know how you guys get to leave wire on pines for so long. mine are cutting in with in 4-5 months.
Super feeding???
Depends on what stage the tree is at I suppose
If you are superfeeding to grow the trunk and tree volume then no it does stay long, but when it is slowing down to grow the branching then it can stay for ages
Ken
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 2:46 pm
by Mojo Moyogi
anttal63 wrote:So if you gonna go to the trouble of feeding at this time why not do it right??? I will this year do a couple of test trees. One on a normal grow fert regime and the other on low nitro fert only during the late autumn and winter period. I am curious to nail this argument once and for all.
Antonio, from memory, Brent Walston at Evergreen Gardenworks in California puts forward a good argument for
not going low nitrogen in Autumn/Winter. You should be able to find his article on his site somewhere.
Cheers
Mojo Moyogi
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 2:49 pm
by Mojo Moyogi
Re: ausbonsai black pine team project
Posted: March 2nd, 2010, 3:59 pm
by anttal63
Its all food for thought mojo. Brent is a class A grower no doubt. AS he sais no evidence, im assuming either way. But i do believe in fert all year round in melbourne. What and when is subjective. Thanks for the link mate.