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Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: April 20th, 2011, 3:10 am
by lennard
GavinG wrote:To me, its a very strong tree, visually and dynamically, with very unusual balance and poise. I've looked at this photo a lot, and I've had problems with the tree, but it's very possible that I am the problem, not the tree. You have to figure out whether the "rules" are preventing you from seeing what is in front of you. Very graceful, and very challenging. Maybe I'll change my mind again tomorrow.

Gavin
When I saw the tree for the first time I could not take my eyes of it - but I for one am attracted to things that are different.

As said I don't have a problem with the trunks crossing.

Lennard

Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: April 20th, 2011, 3:15 am
by lennard
ozzy wrote:......quite obviously the tree is gay ... not that theres anything wrong with that.
Gay: "refer to feelings of being "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy""

I am glad you like the tree!

:tounge:

Lennard

Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: April 20th, 2011, 3:24 am
by lennard
Andrew Legg wrote:OK, I have given this tree a lot of thought and my conclusion is that I don't think it works. To me it generates confusion. I look at it and I think to myself "how did this happen", and to be honest I can't figure it out. Why would it have grown like that? Now, sure as ducks have beaks, there are plenty of trees out in the wild that come across the same way to me. There is a big old pine in my neighbourhood that has complete reverse taper and branches going all over the show and the tree makes no sense, but it is completely natural.

So, can I imagine a tree growing like this one in nature? Sure. Does it make bonsai sense? No, to me not. Firstly there is no leading of the eye except to the cross over. This is not in my opinion a strong point of the tree, and yet it is the focal point. Having said that, I don't think this tree has a strong point! The trunks lack taper, the foliage lacks definition (at least from what I can see on the image), and there is nothing else about it that "wows" me. :imo:

My feeling is that this tree has been grown purely as a discussion piece and with little intention to be a high quality bonsai. All that said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder right, so who knows, maybe others have different opinions and that's fair enough. I'm not crazy about it though.
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The front trunk was probably the original trunk pushed to the side by another tree growing close by. When that tree died one of the shoots of the first trunk took over growing straight up because there was no more shade.

But I think I have figured out why some people don't like the crossed trunks, it reminds them of school:
buddleja crossed trunk wrong.jpg
Is my conclusion correct?

:lol:

Lennard

Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: April 20th, 2011, 4:35 am
by Andrew Legg
Hi Lennard,

I was thinking it looks more like the AIDS awareness ribbon! Your description sounds too much like hard work for me. When I think of a tree's story I think more along the lines of some sort of environmental issue like wind/pests/being knocked down/snow etc etc. Maybe I just don't like to use my imagination as much as you do! :whistle:

At the end of the day though, a tree needs to "talk to me" for me to like it. This one does'nt. That's personal though.

Cheers,

Andrew

Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: May 18th, 2011, 8:16 pm
by Paulneill
I like it . Forget the so called styles. Bonsai originated in china where they tried to make trees look like animals like dragons and birds . It is also an art there is nothing arty about creating something normal only smaller . Don't get me wrong I like the idea of creating miniture trees as well . But don't see enough outlandish design like the chinese used to .

Re: Crossed trunk Buddleja saligana (False Olive).

Posted: May 18th, 2011, 8:46 pm
by craigw60
Paulneill, bonsai is a Japanese art form the Chinese practice Penjing they are quite different.
With regards to the Buddleja I quite like it.
Craigw