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Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 29th, 2009, 6:10 pm
by Bretts
C'mon Asus even expert scientists would not be so definate they are the same tree just from a picture without comparing leaf viens flowers and seed. You yourself said that you don't know what it is you are collecting. I notice that some apricots are grafted to plums in the orchads.

I might have to buy some apricots before spring. Did you dry the seeds out or any other germination preperation Antonio.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 29th, 2009, 7:22 pm
by Asus101
Apricots in orchards have different leaf shape and bark than those Antonio has posted.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 29th, 2009, 7:53 pm
by Bretts
The apricots in the orchards you speak of may have different leaves than these but that does not mean that Antonio's is the same as yours.
This is two different species of Carpinus, cordata and coreana yet the leaves look very similar.
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Carpinus-cordata-2[1].jpg
If the tree Antonio has come from edible fruit then I would think that it is grown in an orchard some where with or without an under stock but probably with.
A picture of the scion and the under stock leaves you are talking about would be interesting.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 29th, 2009, 9:21 pm
by Steven
Bretts wrote:Ripper trees guys thanks for posting.
It would seem the one you collected Steven is not Grafted?
That's right Brett, not a graft to be seen on this one.
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S.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 29th, 2009, 9:46 pm
by anttal63
hey brett, the seeds were dried in a sunny window then stored in a paper envelope till the next spring. into jiffy's, morning sun and a week later pop! :D

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 30th, 2009, 9:29 pm
by Bretts
Added to the shopping list :)

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: June 30th, 2009, 9:33 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi,

Has anyone successfully grown normal apples from seeds? By normal I mean the trees
that product apples sold in supermarket?

Years ago, I "spat" several seeds into a pot, they actual germinated and grown for a
few months -- then the white powdery insects kill them.

Best regards.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 8:14 am
by anttal63
try again viet, this time better drainage and full sun, except the hot part of summer of course. :D

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 8:15 pm
by Steven
daiviet_nguyen wrote:Has anyone successfully grown normal apples from seeds?
You mean like this one Viet?
Bonsai apple with fruit.jpg
Regards,
Steven

P.S. It's not mine :(

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 1st, 2009, 8:31 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi Steven,

I think so. The one you posted does not appear to be a grafted one.
The person who keeps this bonsai must be master grower.

I do not think anybody would complain about the broadness of the
leaves on this one.

Hi Antonio,

I did it for fun :) With this type of apple, we could go to normal
nurseries and hunt for good ones -- I think.

(My previous post has several English mistakes :oops: )

Best regards.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 9:39 am
by mudlarkpottery
I have a multi-grafted stone fruit tree and the peach fruit is very prolific. I have a lot of peach trees coming up in the compost which has been spread throughout the yard. So I thought I'd try an aerial layering. The first photo is of the layer which I made last March. It's starting to flower now.
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Now that I know they'll self -graft easily, I'll do a better job this time.
Penny.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 10:41 am
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi Penny,

Interesting experience. I think it would be even more interesting if we actually
graft different flowering colours, leaf colour together.

It will not be a masterpiece, but it would interesting to the eyes :)

Best regards.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 5th, 2009, 11:09 am
by Chris
i have this apple tree it's 9 years old and come from a seed i havent seen fruit on it and it's doing well

it looks the same as steves just a little smaller

i love my little apple tree

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: July 28th, 2009, 6:23 am
by Petra
Just wondering, any one know how the miniture peach trees that bigW has for sale, would shape up. Meaning diesiease wise.Thinking to try one of these. Some that i looked at over the weekend had short wide stumps and long woody roots.
Would i have to put it in the ground first or a large shallow pot.and would it be wise to trim the roots first.

Re: fruit trees in general

Posted: August 14th, 2009, 10:10 pm
by Marc
Hi Petra, there are a few things to consider with fruit trees from retailers. They are grafted, number one. so as far as bonsai value goes, not that high. Basically the graft point detracts from the attrctiveness from the tree. Ignoring that, the species a lot of big name retailers sell is this "Pixzee Peach". Bred for fruting and to not grow overly large. So if you are after bonsai value, not a great buy, if you are after fruit, you wont get much better.

If it's not a "pixzee Peach", you will find it is still grafted. If you want, get it, start treating it like any other bonsai starter, trim a few roots here and there through winter, water like crazy during summer etc. if you decide the graft is no good in years to come, a lot of bonsai practitioners attempt to "areal layer" the graft out.

Disease wise the trees are usually Ok for a while, but fruit trees are ALWAYS suseptable to diseas very easily. plant them right into bonsai potting me i would.

You may want to refer to many artciles on areal layering, it can be a little tricky and may need some practice.

If you are after a bonsai starter peach that is to grow up a classic peach and is not grafted, you may be best to go to bonsai shops and ask them directly.

I hope to have helped. This info could be used basically for other bare rooted fruit trees at the shops too.