trident maple seed propagation advice

[jarryd]

jamie if you dont think they will do to well up with you id be happy to do a trade with you for some stock as i have been interested in trying this for some time,

kind regards jarryd

[Jamie]

no problem mate, they seem to be popping up out the soil so when they get up to a reasonable size i will let ya know, i just think they wont last up here where i am past a year maybe two as there isnt realy a dormancy period, they seem to be going well as it is now though. not a seedling yet but i think in a month or two they might be, so we can work something out mate

i am trying to get some tiger bark fig cuttings to take, if i can get enough of them i will use them for the idea and you can go with the tridents

jamie

[craigw60]

hi Jamie
If you get some trident seed up you should keep some to put on rocks. They are so good for that style.
Craig

[Jamie]

i got the seeds, done the stratification, and sowed them, they are starting to pop up now, the only prob is they dont do so well in my climate, especially younger ones, well even older ones, they survive for so long then they cark it because they cant go into dormancy i presume.
i dont know how noah keeps them so successfully, i have tried everything he has mention and i still have trouble.
i think i am best to keep to what survives well in my area


jamie

[shibui]

and I should probably get rid of the figs and concentrate on cool climate trees but what about the challenge.. and breaking new ground.. and pushing boundaries....

[Jamie]

and I should probably get rid of the figs and concentrate on cool climate trees but what about the challenge.. and breaking new ground.. and pushing boundaries....

its not the challenge or anything like that shibui, trust me i have tried, and tried and lost a few hundred dollars worth of trees, they just arent suited to my climate.

jamie

[Glenda]

Jamie,

I found this interesting article at https://sharepoint.cahnrs.wsu.edu/blogs ... fault.aspx
"November 9, 2009
I see the light!

Posted by Linda Chalker-Scott

Here's the follow up picture from Friday's puzzler:

Maple not dormant because of street light..jpg

As you can see, there's a street light near the lower half of the maple. (I cleverly hid it behind the utility pole in the first photo.) The green part of the tree never received the message that days were getting shorter, since the street light is bright enough to interrupt the dark period necessary to initiate dormancy."

Linda Chalker-Scott is a Botany Professor at Western State University.

Seems dormancy is more about light than temperatures. Perhaps artificially shortening the days may do the trick? Worth a try?

Glenda

[Webos]

Here's a post on another site on fused trunk tridents. Hasn't taken him long at all to come up with a great base. All you need is a hundred whips! I havent heard of anyone trying this with Japanese maples...Do they fuse just as well as the trident? I had the chance to buy as many Japanese Maple whips as I like for 50 cents each last year... I didn't even think to try the fused trunk method. I bought 20 and put them all in my garden. I'll see if I can grab a hundred or 2 this year and attempt it..

[Jamie]

i cant see why j. maples wouldnt work, i think they might be a little slower not sure.
the bigger your base in diameter the more trees you need, i bought 100 seeds to grow the whips, hoping at least 50% or more would take, the frame i have made is about 5 inches diameter and 6 inches tall, approx. and i reckon it would take at least 100 whips, but they wouldnt need to be that long for the frame i made, the bigger the frame in height and width obviously need more whips of a taller height.


glenda, i will check that link out soon!

jamie

[Webos]

oops...here's the link

http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/bonsa ... nt-t33.htm

[Matthew]

and I should probably get rid of the figs and concentrate on cool climate trees but what about the challenge.. and breaking new ground.. and pushing boundaries....

its not the challenge or anything like that shibui, trust me i have tried, and tried and lost a few hundred dollars worth of trees, they just arent suited to my climate.

jamie

jamie i should add that the first year the trees did very poorly i thought i would loss them. I was getting little growth, crinckled leaves simular to that in bretts post etc second year with my setup they responded much better . I sold some damn nice ones that year thinking they would die, how i wish i kept them since im off south i should also point out that my confined space also has a fish pond in the centre of it always with water running, humidity is always present here but i think this combined with a misting on hot days does help especially for JBP up here.
maybe my microclimate is just favourable. i know mates 2km away having problems with theres.

[Matthew]

and I should probably get rid of the figs and concentrate on cool climate trees but what about the challenge.. and breaking new ground.. and pushing boundaries....

im with you mate. even my willowleafs are coming south and they hate the cold. luckily they will be snug in my hothouse

[Ryan1979b]

Hey All,

I'm actually doing the same right now & purchasing 100 seedlings ready to prepare for spring. Just a few quick questions which I haven't found any info on yet regarding the fusing technique over a wire frame.

1) Generally how old are the saplings when they are bare rooted & tied to the frame
2) what would be the best time of year to do this as they are Bare rooted & defoliated at the same time. or is it better to set up the fusing late winter early spring before buds burst?

I am very eager to give this a go and the additional information will give me a whole lot more confidence in preparing a game plan for the fusing. All the information on this thread has been brilliant along with Dugz Visual explanation.

Cheers all, any advice would be appreciated.

Ryan