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bodhidharma wrote:G'Day Asus, thanks for commenting but i think your vision is extending to a finished product where as i see these trees as a work in progress. I am sure the owners, including myself, are well aware of the faults but they are works in progress as i said. If we were to post only finished articles there would not be many posts happening I see the forum as an encouragement and do not want to deter novices from posting their beginners.

The owners of the trree's might see those faults, but it seems many of the readers and posters dont.
I have tree's that every time someone comes to see them I point out the faults first so we can get down to constructive throughts than to waste time.
Sure beginners of all levels need to be encouraged to post, but they also need to learn. Running comments of praise are not helping a person to learn, to see issues in good structures they need to be pointed out. I'm not picking on anyone, in fact they are all good nebari's, I just wish for peopel to learn what the problems are, and hopefully how to fix them.

If my camera actually works I'll post an image of a collected zelkova and its roots and why that at a glance one side is good it actually isnt good at all.

The only finished bonsai is a dead one.

Have to agree with Asus here. Mine is about the only perfect nebari here.

Bretts wrote:Have to agree with Asus here. Mine is about the only perfect nebari here.

Hi Aus,
You need to be more specific, by the first tree do you mean the azalea and if so which root is offending you The other tree is I assume the ash which needs some serious root work I would agree. With regards to the old potting mix I am something of a fanatic when it comes to changing the soil at repotting time so maybe it looks that way because it was raining and everything was wet. I agree bonsai today has some great pieces on nebari issue no 17 is the best its devoted to transplanting and very comprehensive.
Craig

God help any regiment that boy gets hooked up with
Although tongue in cheek I was agreeing with you Asus. For a thread that should be showing the best Nebari it does fall a bit short.
Maybe a full picture of the Azalea might help but that large root pointing forward could be an issue. Azaleas can have some of the best bases around.

Considering elm and ash don't often make the best bases it is unusual to show these as examples of great home baked nebari.

ahhh you should of seen it before he changed it then brett

Hi all,

This is a home grown nebari.
Here is a Japanese Larch from a seedling that has a nice bit of a base on it, it is 80mm across the widest part of the trunk before the nebari. The canopy, what there is of it, is not very photogenic all all (yet). Apart from a 3 year blast in a styro box, when it gained the majority of it's girth, it has never been in anything larger (or deeper) than a seed tray. The top of the tree is having primaries and secondaries built at present, it should be a nice presentable tree in the not too distant future.

Cheers
Mojo Moyogi

P.S.
Asus, don't just lurk, feel free to tell it like it is.......somebody has to.

I was out looking at a trident i have and decided it might be a good example for this thread.....

I bought this old trident this spring at the BSV show. It had a few features that i look and after sitting on the sales table all show unsold it finally dropped in price and i bought it.
The tree as i recieved it.
Branches were sawed off....
In the process i tried to saw my finger off....

Which left me with a trunk. Note the flare at the base.....


As i hadn't seen what was under the soil, i could only assume that this flare at the base was a sign of further flare and good rooting below the soil surface....It was time to find out.....

I got the tree out of its container and began to untangle the mass of roots... I discovered that at some stage in its life it had been layered and although it had not a lot of root work recently, it had the grounds of what could become a good nebari. The initial flare at the surface led to an even greater flare below the soil.
First glimpse.
I cut a bunch of roots off and combed out the rest. Hopefully this seasons strong new branch growth has also resulted in more fine roots for me to use when re-potting next spring. I have a feeling that this nebari will be quite good in 5 or so years time if i can encourage it to grow and fuse some more.

Mojo well done! Looks great from this angle. It is certainly very difficult to correct later on Larch although Stymie has had success layering them.

Jow thats a great radial spread, Hopefully it marries in time!

Brett there are elms with great spreads the ones Ill link to in the following thread maybe an exception being the climate grown.... Ash... I cant say, but maybe to get a better spread is to work with larger material?

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2007htm/p30.htm

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2008htm/p52.htm

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2008htm/p61.htm

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2006htm/p69.htm

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2005htm/p20.htm
odd angle but look closely....

http://sidiao.myweb.hinet.net/2003htm/p53.htm

They all have merits and pitfalls, but they are still rather impressive. I think Leigh also may have a few examples with fine Nebari's.

Great trees with great nebaris Ace just not home grown but thanks for sharing

anttal63 wrote:Great trees with great nebaris Ace just not home grown but thanks for sharing

Oh really? your kidding me right, they just like... materialised? I bet it was a wizard... Am I close?? But.... but... oh man you got me all confused! if they where not grown at home, then how did they come to be?


I still vote wizard...

Easy Killa i meant as in here Australia. You know, the wizard of Aus.

Great trees with great nebaris Ace just not home grown but thanks for sharing

this is a great post and i haven enjoyed everything ppl have had to say thanks for the reading and the teaching.