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Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 15th, 2011, 12:49 pm
by Jow
Some interesting choices there Craig, I think you are right and the tree probably could hold a deeper pot but i think you would have to sacrifice a little length for it to look right. Finding pots is such an art. Its one thing to choose a style, but then finding one in that style and the correct dimensions is a whole other excercise.

I will have to do some virtual pottings when i get some time (Pretty flat out this week and next). If any one else is in a virtual mood i would love to see what pots people think might match up nicely.

Joe.

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 9:27 am
by Jow
This morning i took a pic of the tree with the pot i had on hand. Pretty sure its not going to work although i dont totally dislike the combination. I quite like the clay colour. Pretty sure i can find a better match though.
Test-pot.jpg
The pot will appear a little smaller if it was to be potted as the perspective does make it look a little larger, but only by a fraction.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 11:13 am
by Bretts
That is looking great Jow. Ascetically with that long branch I would like to see how a wide shallow pot would go. But that may not be great horticulturally. I think the pot you show would be better if a little smaller and shallower.
There is a concept that as we read left to right trees flowing in the direction feel progressive to us and the other way as your branch goes feels regresive.
I surely like what you have done here but I can't help that feeling of it pulling me back. :?

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 11:33 am
by Jow
Hi Bretts,

Thanks for the comment. Its interesting what you say about the direction Does the below image appeal more mearly because of its direction? Its an interesting thought.......

As for the pot, i agree, i think something slightly smaller would suit well. Although the tree is quite formal it could probably benifit from either a formal masculine pot or a more round and shallow more feminine pot. Hard to know.
Test-pot-reverse.jpg

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 12:23 pm
by Jarrod
That pot doesn't look terrible! and once it is at the same perspective as the tree it should be great. you could take a photo of the tree and pot right next to each other and superimpose them on top of each other.

Image something like this, but longer and shallower would be nice!

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 1:58 pm
by Bretts
It's funny I never noticed that feature branch was higher than the opposite branch until the picture was reversed. When heading to the right I want to bring it down just a touch more.

Maybe this is something to do with how we view a regressive composition :lost:

I should have been clearer in my first post, I am not suggesting this is a fault. A regressive composition is no less than a progressive one. It is just viewed differently by the brain and has a different effect.
After reading the concept of progressive and regressive compositions It was interesting to look at many bonsai taking note which way the direction is and seeing if there is a pattern to the right for westerners.

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 2:12 pm
by Jow
Hi Brett,

I didnt take it as a negative, i just thought it would be interesting to see how it read in the other direction. I wonder if cultures that read righ to left feel the opposite to how left to right readers do, or if it is more a condition of how our brains interperate things? You may be right about lowering the branch a little, i had thought about it when i was wiring it and it would mean that the main branch could be divided into two levels of pads.

I have also had a look through my pics from http://bonsaijapan.wordpress.com and found a few trees with long first branches.

It is interesting to see how they are potted.

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Each tree in a different pot. Some formal pots, some deep some shallow.....

It will be interesting to play with different pots as the tree developes and the main branch grows longer.

Re: JBP Re-Wire.

Posted: September 16th, 2011, 3:36 pm
by Jarrod
It is interesting that they have been potted like semi cascades even if the first branch is perfectly leven and does not pass below the edge of the pot. Very interesting.

I have tilted the tree over a fraction which has brought the first branch to a nice angle.