Creating new roots

[Neli]

Thanks! I did not think about that.

[peterb]

Hi Ray
thank you for a very informative post , and from us newbies great big thanks for your patience with all the questions . think i have the confidence to try this come spring

regards
peterb

[Neli]

Hi Ray,
me again!
I was looking at some air layers on an Asian guy...with the most fantastic trees. He said he dries the ring for some time before adding sphagnum or soil... One time he forgot it for 3 month open and when added soil, and it still worked.
He said when you dry it for 1-2 weeks it works better.
Just wanted to let you know in case you want to try it.
I saw you added a wet flannel to keep it moist.

[Ray M]

Hi Ray,
me again!
I was looking at some air layers on an Asian guy...with the most fantastic trees. He said he dries the ring for some time before adding sphagnum or soil... One time he forgot it for 3 month open and when added soil, and it still worked.
He said when you dry it for 1-2 weeks it works better.
Just wanted to let you know in case you want to try it.
I saw you added a wet flannel to keep it moist.

Hi Neli,
I must say I have never heard of this before. I have had good success with keeping them moist. I guess this would be worth a try. I will most probably give it a go come spring time and see what happens.

Regards Ray

[Andrew Legg]

Thanx for the reply,and info. Don't know what Seasol is though.

In our area I'd use Superthrive as an equivalent mate.

[Ray M]

Hi Ray,
me again!
I was looking at some air layers on an Asian guy...with the most fantastic trees. He said he dries the ring for some time before adding sphagnum or soil... One time he forgot it for 3 month open and when added soil, and it still worked.
He said when you dry it for 1-2 weeks it works better.
Just wanted to let you know in case you want to try it.
I saw you added a wet flannel to keep it moist.

Hi Neli,
I must say I have never heard of this before. I have had good success with keeping them moist. I guess this would be worth a try. I will most probably give it a go come spring time and see what happens.

Regards Ray

Hi Neli,
I have given this some more thought. I posted just a little while ago viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15491 I think the first couple of points in this post are relevant. I would like to know what species is used and what are the weather conditions where the author lives. This would certainly help if one was going to try the same process.

Regards Ray

[Neli]

He is in Indonesia Ray. I shall look for it again and give you the place where he mentions that. I hope I shall find it. I guess He uses it for all species, but what I saw was tamarind...and tamarind according to them it is a tree that does not like root disturbance at all. .

[Neli]

I was trying to figure out where I saw it, and found this in my files...Maybe it can help as an idea...maybe not a good one but just food for a thought.

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What they do is they cut the bark of a tree vertically into strips, then flatten it against the soil horizontally. Roots grow in every direction from the cut surfaces...then they turn this flat strips of bark into roots/nebari...very interesting. I have pictures...maybe I become brave enough and open a thread.
Or maybe you can try it and see how it works...Can you see the picture above? Cut the strips longer upwards, and push the wire up so the strips are horizontal. Then add medium as normal.... I am not sure if that is how they do it...I have just seen the pictures of bark on very fat trees, spread horizontally, above the soil already rooted and in the process of turning into nebari. But I think I can ask again...
Do you want the pictures?

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[Ray M]

Do you want the pictures?

Hi Neli,
Sure, post the photos. It is always good to see other ideas. Hopefully we all learn from others experiences.

Regards Ray

[Neli]

[Neli]

I was scared not to spam your thread. Hope you like them.

[Ray M]

Hi Neli,
Thanks for the pics. I can see from the resulting trees what has been done to achieve the root system.

Regards Ray

[Neli]

What do you think about it. This are commercial growers...for then to do it, it probably works>????

[lackhand]

It reminds me of this technique, though this one is for cuttings.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6717

The idea is very similar though, split the trunk or bark and spread it into a flat base to get some nice flare and nebari going on. I think I have actually seen this done in other threads on this forum, can't remember which off the top though. I bet some searching would turn something up.

As for leaving the ring to dry, I feel like this has to be location dependent as in my hot, dry climate I can't imagine a tree doing well with that treatment. Maybe in the humid tropics.

[Neli]

Hi Karl, I have seen that about the figs.. This is different. Here you peel off the bark and use it to create roots. There it is just to expand the diameter of the trunk. It is different.