
thats the way i see it, but i see what your saying to, just because a tree is designed in an upright fashion does that make it chokkan, moyogi or slanting? (i cant remember the name for slanting

on a side note. it seems we already have a few interested in having a competition, maybe we should have a chat with steven to see if it is ok with him, im sure he wont mind, i hope....steven????
regards jamie
