AusBonsai

It is good to be reminded that even Elm can have great root ramification.

Nice trees Asus and I hope one day we see trees Grown in Oz that are like that

I think the whoe thread is allouding to the fact that Yes any tree can have great Nebari, But jus tnot many that have been grown here

Wonder How long it took to grow the bases on those ones?

Ken

Bretts wrote:It is good to be reminded that even Elm can have great root ramification.

It might just be a matter of finding the right method of root pruning as its developing.
Dont forget they are very humid up there, growth rates are much much higher.

The methods i would assume are used 1) grafting ready made roots and when done properly will marry to the trunk more so than a straight around layer. and 2)
cull, cull cull. The nebari is like the top of the tree as in. it can become emotional baggage. You have to cut back hard and eliminate in order to encourage new growth and find new lines. Build and rebuild! Read my signature.

What it wasn't all the original roots from the sapling. Blasphemy!

Bretts wrote:What it wasn't all the original roots from the sapling. Blasphemy!

BURN HIM!!! BUUUUURRRRNNN HIM!!!!

Bretts wrote:What it wasn't all the original roots from the sapling. Blasphemy!

Even they need to be built and re built at some stage! And you can bet your bottom buck that these trees ace has shown were treated right from day dot!!!

They could have been an air layer to start with so you would have no better odds than two up with that bet. In fact you might have better odds with two up considering how many ways there ae to get roots on a trunk.

When I put up this post I never used the words best, good or great. in fact the only comment I made was the need for adjustment.
Mojo, Your larch looks to be coming on nicely. would be nice to see it in the flesh one day.
Jow that trident was a good find.
Heres a pic of the azalea, it is 30 cm high and kurume not satsuki, pity
I haven't worked hard on the branches so it will need lots more refinement in coming years.
Craig

When I put up this post I never used the words best, good or great. in fact the only comment I made was the need for adjustment.

Yes but you did reference it too a thread that we where discussing a perfect Nebari. It was to be expected that is what was to be looked for here I think.

Maybe you could explain why that big root poking us in the eye on the azalea has not been removed or reduced yet.

Still a great looking azalea very impressive work

Bretts wrote:They could have been an air layer to start with so you would have no better odds than two up with that bet. In fact you might have better odds with two up considering how many ways there ae to get roots on a trunk.

yeah about the same odds you got of your story and suggestion bein any where near the money.

I think most of us have understood where Craig has come from in the first place, although you have turned it every which way possible. Thats cool, its your way and it wont be the last time. More importantly i would love to hear why the root on that wonderful little azalea is poking you in the eye and offending you ??? And with what basis do you make that evaluation???

The problem I see with my azalea is not in the root spread but in the branching and foliage arrangement which to my eye needs a lot of work. I don't feel any physical threat from the root base at all.
Craig

Hey Antonio I have not changed anything every which way. I have simply stated that perfect roots don't have to start from the very beginning. The fact that there is a multitude of different ways this can happen has nothing do do with me.

I did not assume any story as you did of how these elms got great nebari. I only pointed out that there is nothing to say they could not of been an air layer to start with.

I have to say I am a little confused as to where Craig stands on this myself? I thought he stated that the only way to get a perfect nebari is from scratch as a seedling sapling or I guess also a cutting as that is where most of our young stock comes from.
Then he seemed to say that this is not the only way but the best way I thought perfect was best ?
Now he has showed nebari that he has grown from scratch that in every instance have some issue???

The azalea is a great nebari yet I don't think this is exceptional for a species that has some of the best nebari around from a very early stage. The root that faces forward should have been reduced at least as much as is marked in red and possibly as much as the green mark. In any event if this root was to be kept this long I would have thought that any crossing roots would have been removed by now.
Also I think the root on the left could be better for this species and will be a bit harder to rectify. For all this to take effect the tree would obviously have to be buried deeper which should be the case for a base at this stage of development.

All good Brett, they were my observations and these are yours. Unfortunately we cant spoon feed the people who dont get our meaning, through a forum with the typed word all of the time. Thats life! However i have no confusion what so ever about where this man is coming from.

Perfect is not a word that sits well with me and certainly not in reference to my own work.
Growing trees from seed and cutting is one of many ways to start a bonsai. I prefer to use this method now because it means I only have to deal with my own mistakes and am happy to do that. I have never grown a perfect tree and in all probability never will.
Craig