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Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 12:46 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
Just wondering if anyone has found a use for the left over dust and very small fines left over from sifting diatomite?

I know Akadama dust can be used for muck ...

but what about diatomite?
Also, my first bag of diatomite was 2-7mm but turned out to be mostly 2mm, so after purchasing 7-14mm diatomite and finding mainly 14mm

I am wondering if anyone has worked out an effective method for crushing the bigger stuff down to 7mm without turning it all to dust
Cheers,
Ryan
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 2:26 pm
by Bretts
I put my akadama dust as well as my diatomite dust in the same bucket to use for muck but haven't got around to making any yet but I figure it will work much the same.
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 2:27 pm
by Hornet
off topic but what is "muck"? and whats it used for?
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 2:38 pm
by Bretts
Muck
Muck is another important "soil" mixture. It is a paste that's used as a binding agent to hold soil or objects such as rocks stable in the pot until the tree roots are established. When we use a rock slab (e.g. slate) instead of a pot, we often use Muck to create an edge that will prevent the soil mixture from sliding off. To do this, roll muck between your hands until it looks like a rope, perhaps 1/2 inch in diameter. Then lay the rope on top of the rock slab and arrange it until you like the shape. It usually should be irregular in shape. Now press it down until it sticks to the rock slab. Now add your trees and soil mixture.
Recipe: Sift adobe soil, keeping only the fines (dust to 1/8"). Use a screen that's the same size as window screen or slightly smaller). Some peat moss is long and fibrous. If this is yours, cut it using scissors into lengths approximately 2" in length. Now mix half adobe and half peat moss. Add just enough water that it can be kneaded to a dough-like consistency. It's easy to knead if you put the mixture into heavy-duty zip lock bag.
Hint: If you can find black adobe that will look best, but it's difficult to find. In fact, depending on where you live any kind of adobe soil may be difficult to find. If you are using Akadama in your soil mix you are probably throwing away the dust when you sift it. Don't -- use it in this recipe instead.
Storage: If you have any left over, store it in the zip lock bag in your freezer. (Yes, your freezer. This will keep it from becoming moldy.) When you need it for your next project just remove from the freezer, let it thaw, add a bit more water if needed and then knead it a bit to get it flexible and ready for use.
From Kusamura Bonsai Club
Palo Alto, California
http://www.gsbf-bonsai.org/kusamura/basics/soil.html
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 3:43 pm
by Hornet
Thanks brett, learn something new everyday
John
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 4:46 pm
by Ash
Be so carefull - diatomite dust can cause to suffer respiratory problems. Sieve it wet if you can (its heavier and anoying but should keep some of the dust out of your lungs) or with good dust mask.
cheers
Ash
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 5:39 pm
by John Henry
As diatomite is no longer available i wouldnt be to worried

Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 9:39 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
Ash wrote:Be so carefull - diatomite dust can cause to suffer respiratory problems. Sieve it wet if you can (its heavier and anoying but should keep some of the dust out of your lungs) or with good dust mask.
cheers
Ash
Yep donned the freaky looking respirator dust mask
And to complete the look ... just gotta work out some spikes for the bottom of shoes and let the crushing begin

Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 22nd, 2011, 9:44 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
Bretts wrote:I put my akadama dust as well as my diatomite dust in the same bucket to use for muck but haven't got around to making any yet but I figure it will work much the same.
Guess I'll do the same

and put it in the freezer

just have to remember what it is

(not edable

)
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 23rd, 2011, 5:04 pm
by Mojo Moyogi
You can use Diatomite dust as an insecticide for soft bodied pests.
Cheers,
Mojo
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 23rd, 2011, 5:33 pm
by Grant Bowie
john henry wrote:As diatomite is no longer available i wouldnt be to worried

Hi john,
Contact QV. He rang me yesterday and enquired about Mt sylvia diatomite. i said in useage I had found little difference between it and maidenwell; maybe the particles on average were a little bit bigger.
One of the clubs might be getting some stock.
grant
Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: November 25th, 2011, 9:35 pm
by shanemartin
john henry wrote:As diatomite is no longer available i wouldnt be to worried

I bought 35 litres of Mount Sylvia Diatomite for $17.50 a bag up here yesterday. Went to 2 different places and both had tons of the stuff!

Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: January 10th, 2012, 7:14 pm
by Andrew F
Bretts wrote:Muck
Muck is another important "soil" mixture. It is a paste that's used as a binding agent to hold soil or objects such as rocks stable in the pot until the tree roots are established. When we use a rock slab (e.g. slate) instead of a pot, we often use Muck to create an edge that will prevent the soil mixture from sliding off. To do this, roll muck between your hands until it looks like a rope, perhaps 1/2 inch in diameter. Then lay the rope on top of the rock slab and arrange it until you like the shape. It usually should be irregular in shape. Now press it down until it sticks to the rock slab. Now add your trees and soil mixture.
Recipe: Sift adobe soil, keeping only the fines (dust to 1/8"). Use a screen that's the same size as window screen or slightly smaller). Some peat moss is long and fibrous. If this is yours, cut it using scissors into lengths approximately 2" in length. Now mix half adobe and half peat moss. Add just enough water that it can be kneaded to a dough-like consistency. It's easy to knead if you put the mixture into heavy-duty zip lock bag.
Hint: If you can find black adobe that will look best, but it's difficult to find. In fact, depending on where you live any kind of adobe soil may be difficult to find. If you are using Akadama in your soil mix you are probably throwing away the dust when you sift it. Don't -- use it in this recipe instead.
Storage: If you have any left over, store it in the zip lock bag in your freezer. (Yes, your freezer. This will keep it from becoming moldy.) When you need it for your next project just remove from the freezer, let it thaw, add a bit more water if needed and then knead it a bit to get it flexible and ready for use.
From Kusamura Bonsai Club
Palo Alto, California
http://www.gsbf-bonsai.org/kusamura/basics/soil.html
What is Adobe soil??

Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: January 10th, 2012, 7:25 pm
by Stewart_Toowoomba
shanemartin wrote:john henry wrote:As diatomite is no longer available i wouldnt be to worried

I bought 35 litres of Mount Sylvia Diatomite for $17.50 a bag up here yesterday. Went to 2 different places and both had tons of the stuff!

I just bought 2 bags of Mt Sylvia Diatomite at $13.20 ea from Redcliffe Produce and they have heaps too. Haven't opened it yet to see the size consistency. Selby at Bonsai Northside Nursery said they don't sift their diatomite as he believed the smaller particles help develop the finer roots?? They've been doing it for several years commercially and they wouldn't do stuff that compromises their stock

. Just some more thoughts for the discussion.
Will show my purchases when i have the chance

Re: Diatomite crushing and dust?
Posted: January 10th, 2012, 8:50 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
On diatomite, another member has mentioned elsewhere that the dust can cause respiratory problem. Next time, when I work with it, I will wear a mask (nose and mouth cover.)