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What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 5th, 2009, 5:36 pm
by Pup
Those that read the drop in Sunday post today will know, I went with one of my clubs to a nursery. It is now a wholesale nursery but has some left over stock and pots. I went along mainly as a consultant ( fancy name for big head ) ;) . That was to help the less experienced pick out good stock for future development.

Its bloody hard when confronted with stock like this for $30-00. They still bought the rubbish cos it was cheaper.
This is a juniper procumbens. I was going to use as a work shop piece at the end of the month. I decided against that because after 3 hours of flapping my gums trying to get them to buy decent stock I gave up.
When I got home I started work on it 1hour and 10 minuets later I have a what I think is a very nice Shohin in the making. :D So here are some shots of before and after.
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The height of the tree is 200 mms width is 270 mms. It will now rest until next spring. I will do some refinement wiring and pruning.
Then in August I will start to reduce the root ball. :D :D Pup

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 5th, 2009, 5:42 pm
by Matthew
Very nice pup, shows what can be done by having a good eye and some vision in selecting material. Sure it will be a fine shohin in no time.

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 5th, 2009, 5:50 pm
by Pup
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Here are a couple more shots of different angles
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Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 6th, 2009, 5:57 pm
by Bretts
Thats great for an afternoons work :)

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 8th, 2009, 11:12 am
by Gary Bee
Well done Pup,
How do you get a job as a consultant to the uninitiated - sounds a great job, especially when you can reap the benefit of good stock to work with.
I'll be looking for your shohin in 12 months, it should look a treat.

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 8th, 2009, 11:43 am
by Pup
tmaster wrote:Well done Pup,
How do you get a job as a consultant to the uninitiated - sounds a great job, especially when you can reap the benefit of good stock to work with.
I'll be looking for your shohin in 12 months, it should look a treat.
First of you must be able blow your own trumpet loud and clear. Have a skin like a Rhinoceros. OH!! and be good at it.
Blowing your own trumpet that is.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I am hoping it will live up to exspectations. :) Pup

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 10th, 2009, 9:44 pm
by Pup
Before I buggered my Chinese Elm. I decided to put this in a training pot.
I thought that 5 weeks should be time enough to know whether it will survive or not.
So here are some progression shots on its move from nursery pot to training pot.
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Continued next post

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 10th, 2009, 9:49 pm
by Asus101
I am looking for elm or trident stock similar to this for the same price, something I can start to see a nice result with quickly without major reworking.
Its looking good old man, I would like to be in a place where styling comes second nature and good results can be achieved.

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 10th, 2009, 9:58 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi Pup,

I like this one too. I am not sure if I was able to this "small tree" as you did.

I stopped at the first photo and tried to anticipate what you would do. I thought about cascade...
But I was wrong.

Are you treating the exposed wood with any chemical Pup?

Thank you and best regards.

Re: What can be achieved quick time

Posted: April 10th, 2009, 10:00 pm
by Pup
As promised continuing
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It is very important to get the soil into the root ball so you are replacing some of the old soil.
That is why I use the large knitting needle it allows you to work the soil in with out damaging the roots.
Do not use a stabbing action, more of a poking then twisting, so you open up the soil to allow fresh soil in.

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 10th, 2009, 10:05 pm
by Pup
daiviet_nguyen wrote:Hi Pup,

I like this one too. I am not sure if I was able to this "small tree" as you did.


Are you treating the exposed wood with any chemical Pup?

Thank you and best regards.
Daiviet, I will treat the wood with lime sulfur,but not for at least a year. If you treat it straight away you risk injury to the tree as the sap is flowing and trying to heal the wound. There is a danger that it could enter the sap flow.
Plus a year to let the wood age also helps it to look aged better.Pup

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 11th, 2009, 11:28 am
by Marc
Hi Pup, is that a graft at that first major cut in the trunk?

And Daviet, I was thinking the same, going for a cascade... But you know, i like this better...

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 11th, 2009, 12:10 pm
by Dave54
Hi guys,
nice work pup.
To all the enthusiasts just starting to get into styling from raw material, here's a tip.
Because most Juniper material we look at is of the "prostrate" form ( grows horizontally ), your first impression is to look for a "cascade " style. In the first instance forget about cascades, and look at the tree from all angles, ignoring the long "tail" (low branch). Assume the tail was only ever intended as a sacrifice branch to thicken the base. Remove it, Jin it or just shorten it. These are 3 early questions.
You'll be surprised what else you can see in the tree.
cheers
Dave

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 11th, 2009, 12:49 pm
by Pup
[quote="Marc"]Hi Pup, is that a graft at that first major cut in the trunk?

No it is not grafted, just taken of a large stiff branch that would have been a cascading branch.

Re: What can be acheived quick time

Posted: April 11th, 2009, 12:58 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi Pup,

Thank you for the instructions on lime sulphur. I have read Mr. Craig Coussins,
and I have been under the impression that we should apply straight-away. But
your explainations make more sense.

This is the lime sulphur that I bought and used:

http://www.yates.com.au/products/disease-control/concentrates/yates-lime-sulphur-spray-fungicide/

Do you use the same one too Pup?

Thank you and best regards.