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thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 10:20 am
by paddles
I love this group, always have, I've decided to remake my elm group over (like it ever really got started) and I would like your thoughts on how the main (largest) tree in this group was developed...

my thoughts is that it was done by trunk chopping, but would like to hear from more experianced members..

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 10:32 am
by shibui
Its always hard to tell without knowing something about it or having a close look at the trunk but I'd say from the smooth flow and taper that it has been pot grown and probably with few, if any, large trunk chops

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 12:02 pm
by kcpoole
Looks like to me, that when the direction is changed from moving to the right to up / left. that that is trunk chop. The trunk is grown and wired in a bend to the right and then chopped again.
maybe 3 chops on that one?

Ken

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 12:46 pm
by paddles
do you think the planting angle was changed each time? or regularly anyway?

and can anyone with more experiance than me, suggest the appox diameter of the trunk on the largest tree?

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 2:55 pm
by Craig
Hi paddles, I believe that this chinese elm penjing was created by Qingquan Zhao , not Nick Lenze as it shows when scrolled across.


I'd estimate the main trunk at somewhere between 40 and 70mm , but it's a guess.


http://aspac-bonsai-suiseki.com/index.php?act=zhao

http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries/zhao.php

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 3:11 pm
by Andrew F
his work is very impressive :)

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 3:24 pm
by Stewart_Toowoomba
Hi Paddles

This is a really lovely planting. I am not usually fond of figurines - each to their own though, but the pony seems to fit perfectly into the group planting. Thanks for the posting - loved it!! :hooray:

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 5:22 pm
by paddles
Craig wrote:Hi paddles, I believe that this chinese elm penjing was created by Qingquan Zhao , not Nick Lenze as it shows when scrolled across.


I'd estimate the main trunk at somewhere between 40 and 70mm , but it's a guess.


http://aspac-bonsai-suiseki.com/index.php?act=zhao

http://www.artofbonsai.org/galleries/zhao.php

Thanks for that info Craig... I've always seen this group credited to Nick Lenz... interesting that it is by someone else... shows how the internet can get things wrong.. and that mis-information can spread... :o

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 5:36 pm
by GavinG
Because it's penjing, it's most likely clip-and-grow, clip-and-grow, clip-and-grow.... You get the idea. Every change of direction on trunk, branch and branchlet is probably a clip. There is no fast way to get this kind of result. The fretted open open texture is a real feature for me, not solid over-trimmed pads. Thanks for posting it. It's a fine and graceful composition made from trees, where none of them are exceptional by themselves.

Gavin

Re: thoughts on how this was developed...

Posted: January 16th, 2012, 7:49 pm
by Jan
“Bonsai Today”, 102, features an article on “The Dao of Penjing”, by Karin Albert; on page 47, there is the above image as an example of Water-and-land pening by Qingquan ‘Brook’Zhao. The marble slab that supports/frames the composition, measures 47 ¼ inches, so you can begin to estimate the size of the trees from there.

Don’t like the figurine (just not to my taste) but the composition certainly caught my eye. Worthy inspiration.

Jan