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I hope it is okay to share a link from the IBC. Anyway Im sure Steven will forgive me when he see this tree, and also how they are grown in the field. Enjoy people!! http://ibonsaiclub.forumotion.com/t9278 ... -casuarina

Wowzers

HUGE

Absolutely amazing , i think i had better get some 400 mm pots and slip mine out of the 100mm pots they have been in for the last 2 years and let them run free . Thanks for posting .

Cheers Alpineart

alpineart wrote:Absolutely amazing , i think i had better get some 400 mm pots and slip mine out of the 100mm pots they have been in for the last 2 years and let them run free . Thanks for posting .

Cheers Alpineart

now ya talkn

Damn, that is stunning but i would not want to shift it anytime soon. That is, of course,unless you have some robust apprentices, then it would be fun.

Luke, That is amazing and true bonsai, would you consider writing a piece from start to finish especially the lignan technique? I think we could all gain a lot from you and your patience. thx for sharing with us.

elsielulu wrote:Luke, That is amazing and true bonsai, would you consider writing a piece from start to finish especially the lignan technique? I think we could all gain a lot from you and your patience. thx for sharing with us.

This is not my tree nor do I know anything about it. If only I had a tree of that calibre The tree belongs to Robert Steven whom I believe is from Indonesia ( he is the man in the first picture) I, like you was very impressed by this tree, hence why I shared the link on this site for everyone's enjoyment.

The only casuarina's I have are 8 month old seedlings

I know many will disagree, but I find this tree and many others like it to be rather grotesque and unatural. If I had it I could see myself becoming unsatisfied before too long Some modern growers are moving away from the traditional reason bonsai were first grown---to have and enjoy a BEAUTIFUL tree in a pot reflecting nature and its seasons. Now it seems the important thing is size and trunk diamater above beauty. I agree with the late Kyuzo Murata when he said bonsai are getting to big. Soon someone is going to try to dig up an elm as big as a house and pot it up. Lets have another look at the old Japanese masterpiece maples, pines and apricots for right direction. Anyone agree?

treeman wrote:I know many will disagree, but I find this tree and many others like it to be rather grotesque and unatural. If I had it I could see myself becoming unsatisfied before too long Some modern growers are moving away from the traditional reason bonsai were first grown---to have and enjoy a BEAUTIFUL tree in a pot reflecting nature and its seasons. Now it seems the important thing is size and trunk diamater above beauty. I agree with the late Kyuzo Murata when he said bonsai are getting to big. Soon someone is going to try to dig up an elm as big as a house and pot it up. Lets have another look at the old Japanese masterpiece maples, pines and apricots for right direction. Anyone agree?

Sorry Treeman but I have to disagree with both the sentiment & also your knowledge of this great & ancient art... When next you are looking at some of those old japanese masterpieces double check the size, you will find many that are well above what most modern bonsai growers consider within the realms of the art.

Once you go away from bonsai & back to its roots of Penjing (of which Lingnan is one school) you will find many many more that do not conform to the modern view with regards size or any other aspect you care to target.

Matt

Sorry Treeman but I have to disagree with both the sentiment & also your knowledge of this great & ancient art... When next you are looking at some of those old japanese masterpieces double check the size, you will find many that are well above what most modern bonsai growers consider within the realms of the art.

Once you go away from bonsai & back to its roots of Penjing (of which Lingnan is one school) you will find many many more that do not conform to the modern view with regards size or any other aspect you care to target.

Matt[/quote]

Hi Matt, thanks for your reply. Firstly, I'm not sure how you can disagree with someone's knowledge, particularly given that you don't know me, but be that as it may, you seem to be asuming I lack the knowledge to to voice an opinion on the current trend towards massive size at the expense of elegance and beauty.
So I took your 'advice' and checked out one of my Japanese albums of some of the most revered bonsai in Japan and saw -in over 150 trees- an average hight of around 650 mm (approx 30 inches) with the corresponding (in proportion) nebari size. The kinds of trees I'm talking about are getting up to 1.5mt and others with a nebari 2ft. across! with a few short flimsy branches. To me they are simply ugly. These are the kinds of trees with which you can rapidly become bored. (me anyway)
With regard to the Penjing, (Chinese style) ----just awful.

Cheers

I do not usually post remarks that might inflame peoples sensabiltys, as it is counter productive, but I disagree with Penjng being just awful.

There are many beautiful Penjing. I like both, beautiful Bonsai and Penjing.

As for size there have been many that are called Imperial size, and are still beautiful.

Harry

harry wrote:I do not usually post remarks that might inflame peoples sensabiltys, as it is counter productive, but I disagree with Penjng being just awful.

There are many beautiful Penjing. I like both, beautiful Bonsai and Penjing.

As for size there have been many that are called Imperial size, and are still beautiful.

Harry

Hi Harry, Heh don't be overly concerned about stepping on a toe now and then. I don't see it as being counter productive. On the contrary I see it as a sometimes necessary way to make people wake up and think ( without offending of course) And how productive is it when everyone just agrees on everything. Most of the posts on this forum are people slapping each other on the back and I believe there could be more critical yet subtle assessments of the trees. Let's face it some of the stuff has no future and so the option for the beginner is to find out after years of wasted effort, OR for someone to say ''Look just cut everything off and start again''.
As for benjing, I should have said-- every example that I'VE seen has been awful.
Yes you can certainly have beautiful large trees. but some-------

If I can add my , after looking at these pics, though impressive in size, they are not my cup of tea, I personally think they are ugly and would not give them bench space...beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what floats one persons boat doesn't necessarily float anothers.

Paul B wrote:If I can add my , after looking at these pics, though impressive in size, they are not my cup of tea, I personally think they are ugly and would not give them bench space...beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what floats one persons boat doesn't necessarily float anothers.

Thankyou Paul

T.

I think we can all learn more and that is the good thing about this site. Each school of bonsai will have something to offer even if the end style may not be to our liking. We can all use new techiques or old ones stretched to a new dimension to achieve our journey. The bonsai afterall is just an end result.