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Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 12:30 pm
by Jason.S
Hi Folks,

I bought myself a little Firethorn (pyracantha) seedling at a nursery the other day, to add to my collection. After some investigation on the net later that day, I discovered that some pyracantha are considered a pest/weed in Australia.

http://www.weeds.org.au/cgi-bin/weedide ... l&card=S25

I'm not sure which pyracantha I have yet but I was hoping someone might have a little more information on this. Are there certain species I should look out for and avoid?

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 2:18 pm
by bodhidharma
G'day R.D there are many weeds in Aust that are considered invasive but, that being said, they all make bloody good Bonsai :palm: Our responsibility as Bonsai enthusiasts is to make sure we keep them contained to a pot and dont let them get away into the wild. Digging them up in the wild helps keep em under control, a little anyway.

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 2:24 pm
by Steve Warren
I too have many, what are considered noxious weeds in the form of small leaf privet. They make great bonsai. I am just careful when disposing of prunings and while none of mine have yet flowered, when and if they do I will be careful to make sure they do not seed. Enjoy your firethorn, I have heard they also make good bonsai.

Regards

Steve W

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 4:07 pm
by Jason.S
Thanks guys,

I'm looking forward to developing a great bonsai from it too. Seen a few good pictures of other firethorn so cant wait to make my own. :fc:

I've heard that birds can carry off the berries and cause them to spread that way. Just wanted to make sure I was doing the right thing and not potentially spreading a noxious weed in my area.

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 4:08 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
... what makes them weeds is that they grow fast in certain environments, often out growing and reproducing faster than the native species around them: this (fast growing) is usually a good attribute for bonsai material to have (not sure how fast growing Pyracantha is? but it's asset is it's little red berries - these shrubs/trees are everywhere in suburban Melbourne) ... good luck :fc:

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 7:25 pm
by Handy Mick
If you purchased from a nursery than it would probably be called 'little ruby' these are not on the noxious weed list.
I have a pyracantha which I dug from the bush, its a lovely tree and is a noxious weed.

Mick

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 7:48 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
Handy Mick wrote:If you purchased from a nursery than it would probably be called 'little ruby' these are not on the noxious weed list.
I have a pyracantha which I dug from the bush, its a lovely tree and is a noxious weed.

Mick
Hey Mick, in Bonsai nurseries, at least down here, 'Little Ruby' is the name given to a small leaf variety of PJ fig :lost:

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 6th, 2012, 9:58 pm
by Handy Mick
Certainly used for pyracantha here and probably for a dozen other varieties of plant aswell.
I think the bonsai starters I seen with this name in my local nursery had a bonsai environment tag in it.

Mick

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 7th, 2012, 7:58 am
by Jason.S
Handy Mick wrote:
If you purchased from a nursery than it would probably be called 'little ruby' these are not on the noxious weed list.
I have a pyracantha which I dug from the bush, its a lovely tree and is a noxious weed.

Mick
Hi Mick,
Does this 'little ruby' have any particular features and/or colouring which would help identify it from other species. Once it starts to flower it might help me determine which pyracantha I have.

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 7th, 2012, 5:14 pm
by Joel
There is a dwarf cultivar that is said to be sterile. I think it might even be prostrate, not sure. Did it have a tag? What is its scientific name/cultivar name? What height does it get?

The straight species is definitely a weed but, as said, can be kept if you are responsible.

Joel

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 7th, 2012, 10:21 pm
by Handy Mick
No, not sure dragon, as I said I have the weed type.

Mick

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 8th, 2012, 7:49 am
by Jason.S
Unfortunately no other information or details on the tag beside pyracantha and Firethorn. :lost:

Guess I wait and see what develops.

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 8th, 2012, 5:01 pm
by cre8ivbonsai
Reddragon wrote:Unfortunately no other information or details on the tag beside pyracantha and Firethorn. :lost:

Guess I wait and see what develops.
This may help ... http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/b/Rosa ... tivar/0/#b
Mick, there is a variety on there called 'Ruby Mound'?

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 8th, 2012, 7:16 pm
by Watto
Quite some time ago I bought a pyracantha and from memory it was called Red Ruby. It is a grafted tree and has been through some changes over the years I have had it. I let it flower every year and fruit, however I don't let the fruit "escape". I'm not sure if the fruit are sterile or not, but I don't take the chance.
Right now the fruit is just starting to turn red and over the next few weeks it will be a red and green picture. Does this look like yours?

Re: Firethorn

Posted: March 8th, 2012, 7:17 pm
by Watto
Oops, forgot to attach the photo.