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Chinese Elm root cuttings and air layers

Posted: August 31st, 2013, 3:11 pm
by alpineart
Inspired by Craigw60's post on his Elm's from cutting's , i thought i would give a few a go :reading: . These are the root cutting from a few Elms i acquired for a wind break and to help with the radiant heat here in Summer , that's my excuse anyway ;) . These are from 3 trunks , i purchase 5 trees as a job lot
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and have planted them already , well i put them in pots and boxes just so they can be moved around
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to serve there purpose to keep the heat off Karens Anigozanthos-Kangaroo Paws garden bed :mrgreen: and hopefully protect the Tridents in the front grow bed :lost: . All up i managed to salvage 75 nice pieces like these
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, :o the rest of these
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were just thrown and scattered onto a fresh dug area and covered , if the shoot well i guess i will have to pot them up . 8-) Now they are a bit leggy so rather than just prune them back i have suggested to Karen that i could layer them off, at least 50 odd at best , that way they will stay the same height over the hottest months and shade her garden . As usual she thought it was a good idea . :whistle:

Cheers Alpineart

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: August 31st, 2013, 9:22 pm
by Dario
Hi Alpine
I haven't tried root cuttings from a Chinese elm yet but I think I will give it a go now after seeing Craigw60's rippers and these ones you have just started.
You have some really interesting shapes there and I will be very interested to see them in another year or so :tu2:
Will you be checking the ones with wire on them to monitor the swelling etc, or will this add to their interest if the wire digs in a bit?
Cheers, Dario.

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 1st, 2013, 3:50 am
by alpineart
Hi Dario , mate i have quite a few small root cuttings kicking around , most have been used in Penjing or Root over Rock . I did loose i lot last year but they where only 10-15mm thick roots .

These are to die for , the biggest chunk is close too 200mm in diameter . The wire can stay on to help the roots fuse together , the ones that don't fuse together will make for some very nice exposed root , Penjing or hollow trunk type trees .With 70 odd pieces there is bound to be a variety of shapes and styles .

I will set up some of the layers today on my day off , after i go back to bed for breakfast .

Cheers Alpine

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 1st, 2013, 8:48 am
by Bougy Fan
Now they are a bit leggy so rather than just prune them back i have suggested to Karen that i could layer them off, at least 50 odd at best , that way they will stay the same height over the hottest months and shade her garden . As usual she thought it was a good idea . :whistle:
Alpine you are all heart. Fancy growing all that bonsai suitable stock just to shade your missus's garden. There could be a nomination for hubby of the year here :lol: :lol:

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 1st, 2013, 10:12 am
by Brian
they will make excellent trees one day Alpine. I wish more people would try this technique for turning root cuttings into great growing stock.

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 1st, 2013, 4:51 pm
by Dario
They are bigger than I realised, just looked at the pic again.
Cheers, Dario.

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 1st, 2013, 6:26 pm
by alpineart
Hi Bougy , mate the things i do for the wife would have to get me a nomination for hubby of the hour, that's 1 hour i'm asleep . Karens excited that her Kangaroo Paws won't get burnt to a crisp this year . If i do this to all those shade trees they will fit nicely over her garden bed and i will end up with 100 plus trainers to play havoc with . I got a bit carried away here with 30 layers
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but i just can't seem to bring myself to prune them back yet , under supervision from the Bride :wave: .

Hi Brian , its the topic from CraigW60 that motivated this latest trial . I had a few others from a grafted trunk set into the terrace , but not as keen as i am with this bunch .They should make for some interesting stock in the years to come .

Hi Dario , thats a Silicon/No more gaps tube at 50mm diameter so they are quite impressive as root cuttings .

Cheers Guys Alpine

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 24th, 2013, 9:17 am
by alpineart
Here is a couple of large root cuttings 40-50mm thick that have began to sprout just 6 weeks after i put them into the grow bed
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. These were set around 100-150mm out of the ground in order to get some warmth around the bark , the others are set close to ground level and are rolling up under the bark and beginning to swell . I dare say in another few weeks there will be many more shooting up .

Cheers Alpineart

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 24th, 2013, 12:33 pm
by PAUL2229
looking good Alpine

I took some elm root cuttings that are much thinner than yours and they are starting to bud now as well.

also had success with a crab apple root cutting that was taken in winter.

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: September 24th, 2013, 1:55 pm
by alpineart
PAUL2229 wrote:looking good Alpine

I took some elm root cuttings that are much thinner than yours and they are starting to bud now as well.

also had success with a crab apple root cutting that was taken in winter.
Hi Mate , all the various crab apples i have trimmed over the last couple of years grow well from root cutting , they are so prevalent they look like noxious weeds, absolutely everywhere in the grow beds . Cant tell which is which now until later when the grow somewhat as i have numerous with different leaves .

Cheers Alpine

Re: Chinese Elm root cutting

Posted: December 12th, 2013, 7:43 pm
by alpineart
With the weather heating up i have decided to remove the layers
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and plant them out into the ground
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.From the 70 set 56 have made it this far . I removed 20 yesterday and 36 today and yes
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there are always a few failures but that's bonsai
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.I'm very happy with the new stock to play with next season , many have excellent movement , utilizing the fork of each branch to produce the desirable movement and taper .
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Now all i need is to slip them into the grow beds somewhere , and start the next set of layers on the trunks . I estimate another 40 layers could be set rather than just hack the tree's back to a suitable trunk line , keeping in mind Karen wants some shade for the front garden :whistle: . .

Cheers Alpineart

Re: Chinese Elm root cuttings and air layers

Posted: December 13th, 2013, 10:27 am
by alpineart
Well there is at least 30
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of the root cutting's
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growing amongst the material in the grow beds
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. The big sumo root has struck this week
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so they are still thinking about shooting , got to be happy with the results on this lot .

Cheers Alpine.

Re: Chinese Elm root cuttings and air layers

Posted: August 22nd, 2015, 4:10 am
by alpineart
These are the mix of root cuttings and layers from the 5 main trunk
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. Some have developed quite well others have struggled , numerous died . All the survivors were trimmed and placed into a new location in a re-worked grow bed
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There is a few different configurations here from single trunks , multi trunks and turtle back .

Cheers . Alpineart

Re: Chinese Elm root cuttings and air layers

Posted: August 22nd, 2015, 8:01 pm
by boom64
Hi Alpine ,Great work as usual , like getting a present, you never know what you will get .Hope they all power on .Cheers John.

Re: Chinese Elm root cuttings and air layers

Posted: August 23rd, 2015, 8:12 am
by alpineart
Hi Boom , there certainly is a mixed bag /lucky dip in here . They should do well in this grow bed with a different soil blend than last year .

Cheers .Alpine