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I bought 4 JBPs from a nursery here in Perth. Three of them looked pretty much like this one: The trees have sharp, hard needles.

The fourth tree looks like this:
The tree has sharp, soft needles. Is this still a JBP and if so why the marked difference?

western white pine ?

Got me... The second pic is a black.

what nursery ? i may be able to help

Blooming Nursery in Jandabup.

I've done some more research (googling) and it seems pines with soft needles are usually 5 needle, not 2 needle, clusters. I've checked on western white pine and japanese white pine and the descriptions don't match this oddball. I'm guessing that if it is a JBP it may harden up over summer and start looking more like it's 3 mates.

One thing I have learned from this is exercise is the importance of identification tags on plants.

Pinus halipensis; Allepo pine is my guess.

Grant

PJs
Tend to agree with Grant. Check the number of needles in cluster, this will help I'd the tree. JBP in 2's. JWP-5's. Radiate pines-3's ? Not sure about the rest!! You might have do some research!
Cheers Rod

rodm wrote:PJs
Tend to agree with Grant. Check the number of needles in cluster, this will help I'd the tree. JBP in 2's. JWP-5's. Radiate pines-3's ? Not sure about the rest!! You might have do some research!
Cheers Rod

This is the thing that's throwing me. This oddball has 2 needle clusters... well, ok there's the occasional 3 needle cluster but the vast majority are 2 and that's JBP territory. And no sooner do I type that than I check what Grant said:

Grant Bowie wrote:Pinus halipensis; Allepo pine is my guess.

on Wikipedia and what do I get?

Wikipedia wrote:"... Pinus halepensis is a small to medium-size tree, yadda yadda yadda. The leaves ("needles") are very slender, 6–12 cm (2.4–4.7 in) long, distinctly yellowish green and produced in pairs (rarely a few in threes)..."

And that be this oddball... needle colour is a yellow based green rather than a blue based green, mainly 2 needle cluster with a number of 3 needle clusters. Little devil was hanging out in the JBP section of the nursery and of course a noob like me couldn't see the difference.

Thank for your help folks. Nice ID Grant.

Wayne

It looks like the pine trees that grow like weeds in Brisbane, i have a couple that i have been playing with.

I have heard people call them slash pines (Pinus Elliottii) not sure if they are?
They mostly have 2 needle cluster and the occasional 3 needle cluster and the needle look soft like your pic.