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When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 10:21 am
by Inspired
I often read and admire Alpine's work including his bad ass yamadori Juni
Just potted this Juni up today and I am very happy with the potential in this material
Will now just be giving it TLC and let it grow for a number of years with light work here and there.
Any virt artisists here that can assist with direction?

Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 10:31 am
by Phoenix238
"Bad boyz bad boyz, what you gonna prune? What you gonna prune when they re-pot you?"
Lots of potential there, wouldn't even know where to start myself. Would have thought removing that much foliage would be dangerous though?
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 10:54 am
by Inspired
LOL thanks Phoenix.. just like you sang this one aspires to be a bad ass some day and must walk the walk
I have no issues to date working Juni's as I am comfortable with them. My lesson from the only Juni casualty years back was when I bare rooted one to spray it down
I don't hose them after that
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 11:28 am
by NAHamilton
A lot of what I've read and seen (online) leads me to believe you can't prune a Juniper that hard. Have you cut them back this much previously?
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 12:45 pm
by BonsaiElmo
Advice I've gotten is you can do almost anything to either the tree, or the roots, but just not both at the same time.
So heavy prune and shape top half one year, then root prune and repot the following year. Or vice versa.
I heavily pruned and wired a handful of junipers a few months back, without disturbing the roots, and they are powering along now. Will look at repotting them next year.
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 1:31 pm
by kez
Much as I hope I'm wrong, I don't think this one will be with you for much longer. Junipers get their strength from the foliage, of which you have left none. If this tree has also just been collected, that's another step towards its demise.
I hope I'm wrong, but I know alpine lost a few of his, with a lot more left on top
Best of luck and keep us posted
Kerrin
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 2:17 pm
by Inspired
Cheers guys the roots were fibrous and am confident in this bad boy wanna be
Extra TLC, rehab with training and he will soon be well on his way to joining Alpine's elite
I brushed the trunk and boi did I get excited seeing eye popping roid veins and that reddish bark to work with in future
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 3:09 pm
by Josh
Will be interesting to see if this one pulls through. Please keep us updated to its progress. Personally I think it may have been worked too hard but you just never know. What is your after care plan for it?
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 4:19 pm
by Andrew Legg
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 5:14 pm
by gerald randall
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 15th, 2014, 10:43 pm
by Rory
Yeah, I hate to say it Inspired, but any time I have pruned a conifer even close to as much as you have, I would lose them. It is a safe rule of thumb to say that when you prune a conifer, try not to take off more than 50% of foliage. This one wont be able to generate enough energy without the foliage. I obviously hope it survives for you, but I wouldn't do this again if I were you.
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 16th, 2014, 5:47 am
by mtarros
Yea I don't like your chances of this pulling through and if it does pull through its going to sulk for a while.
Not sure if this will work but i would try and add as many approach grafts to make the branching.
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 16th, 2014, 6:15 am
by alpineart
Hi Inspired , When i grow up i will join the ranks also , twisted and contorted

, I'm well on the way

I'm but not dead yet

. It takes time to reduce the foliage on collected pines and junipers , I have literally killed hundreds if not thousands of them over time just being Me.
I have learnt a lot of valuable lessons and gathered some good info along the way and I dont repeat the failures too often these day . Win or loose you can join the ranks as I have plenty of collected unique dead trunks laying around to use a Phoenix Grafts

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In order to save some of the trunks I tried inarch grafts but too no avail . I still push my material to the limit and beyond and the tip runs are still happening however there is less to take each time .Best of luck with this one .
Cheers . Alpine
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 16th, 2014, 3:24 pm
by Inspired
Hey guys thanks for your interest and support.. its encouraging.
I will report back on how this tree goes. This Juni was chopped back to bare stubs in early spring after which new shoots has emerged. Interesting hey.
It was then lifted, root pruned and potted up (yes I understand many will cringe at that).
Aftercare is paramount for me and I watch it closely each day. As it has some foliage, i also ensure evening/night misting as the pores of the needles open up at night time (so I read) which will help with humidity and intake of H20.
Re: When I grow up I wanna join the ranks of Alpine's Bad Boyz
Posted: November 16th, 2014, 4:08 pm
by alpineart
Hi Inspired , mate most of those big mothers had new shoots up to 150mm long then just dropped dead . Mind you they were coping with some very extreme heat , they too were misted at night .
All the best .
Cheers . Alpine