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Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:22 am
by Bones6966
I made this account to,ask. This is my first,bonsia and im really wanting to keep at it, my ony issue is that my tree is starting to brown on the tips of some needles. Im in canada and it is starting to get warm. Where i have the tree is in sun for about half the day ad shade the rest. I waterwhen soil starts,to dry out and have found no pest. It is potd in soil not a,stony mix. Plz help my little friend.
Sorry for the bad wrighting im posting from my phone.
Also the stones are not glued in just resting on the surface.

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:31 am
by Bones6966
Immage would not upload so here is a,link to it
http://imgur.com/Fmc4hPJ

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:38 am
by Jarad
Hey Mate,

Firstly, welcome!

Secondly, some people on here are having the same issue, I believe the consensus is that it's caused by a fungus. The threads can be found here:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19078
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=19946

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:39 am
by MoGanic
Hmm... Scratch the bark on the trunk a little bit and check if it's still green under there. Looks like the foliage isn't anywhere near as green as it should be from the photo you posted and I fear the worst for your little tree. If it's still green then we'll tackle some additional troubleshooting.

Also, why are there so many roots out of the soil? Did you purchase it like that?

Mo


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Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:41 am
by Bones6966
Thanks for the fast reply. And sorry for not looking around first im just scared to lose my little guy. That is a bit of moss that is around the trunk there

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:45 am
by Grant Bowie
Canada is a big country. Are you west coast or harsher inland climate? Where do you keep it through winter?

Grant

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:48 am
by Bones6966
I live in ontario about an hour north of toronto. I just bought the tree about a month ago. Under the bark is a bit of green but it is quite shallow on the bark and just wood under.

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:52 am
by Grant Bowie
Bones6966 wrote:I live in ontario about an hour north of toronto. I just bought the tree about a month ago. Under the bark is a bit of green but it is quite shallow on the bark and just wood under.
I visited north of Toronto many years ago in mid summer and it was quite pleasant; but I imagine winter is a real bugger.

Where did/do you keep the tree in Winter?

Where I live it was -7 degrees up to about 9 degrees above yesterday.

Grant

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 10:56 am
by Bones6966
Grant Bowie wrote:
Bones6966 wrote:I live in ontario about an hour north of toronto. I just bought the tree about a month ago. Under the bark is a bit of green but it is quite shallow on the bark and just wood under.
I visited north of Toronto many years ago in mid summer and it was quite pleasant; but I imagine winter is a real bugger.

Where did/do you keep the tree in Winter?

Where I live it was -7 degrees up to about 9 degrees above yesterday.

Grant
I just got the tree about a month ago. It is late spring now i guess and it is fairly warm during the day. It can get to about 30 over but night,time it is going to about 10 or less

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 11:06 am
by Elmar
Bones,
Can I ask if your talking Centigrade or Fahrenheit? I think that would have a major bearing on this conversation...

In Australia we are measuring temperature in degrees centigrade. I noticed you are from Canada...


Cheers
Elmar

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 11:07 am
by Grant Bowie
Bones6966 wrote:
Grant Bowie wrote:
Bones6966 wrote:I live in ontario about an hour north of toronto. I just bought the tree about a month ago. Under the bark is a bit of green but it is quite shallow on the bark and just wood under.
I visited north of Toronto many years ago in mid summer and it was quite pleasant; but I imagine winter is a real bugger.

Where did/do you keep the tree in Winter?

Where I live it was -7 degrees up to about 9 degrees above yesterday.

Grant
I just got the tree about a month ago. It is late spring now i guess and it is fairly warm during the day. It can get to about 30 over but night,time it is going to about 10 or less
You are talking Cecius, not Farenheit?

If it is late spring have you had any growth/elongation over the last month or is it sitting dormant? If it hasn't grown in the last month then the tree is in trouble.


Grant

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 11:20 am
by Bones6966
Grant Bowie wrote:
Bones6966 wrote:
Grant Bowie wrote:
Bones6966 wrote:I live in ontario about an hour north of toronto. I just bought the tree about a month ago. Under the bark is a bit of green but it is quite shallow on the bark and just wood under.
I visited north of Toronto many years ago in mid summer and it was quite pleasant; but I imagine winter is a real bugger.

Where did/do you keep the tree in Winter?

Where I live it was -7 degrees up to about 9 degrees above yesterday.

Grant
I just got the tree about a month ago. It is late spring now i guess and it is fairly warm during the day. It can get to about 30 over but night,time it is going to about 10 or less
You are talking Cecius, not Farenheit?

If it is late spring have you had any growth/elongation over the last month or is it sitting dormant? If it hasn't grown in the last month then the tree is in trouble.


Grant
No not ferenheit lol and yes i have had new,growth it just started looking bad this week.

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 11:38 am
by Grant Bowie
OK, well the 2 usual suspects are a dry out; or the opposite and staying too wet. If it is spaghnum moss around the roots and/or the roots on the surface then it could have stayed too wet over a month and is now showing damage. Root rot can set in and it s the foliage that shows the damage.

If it was a dry out then you may be able to identify when that was and why; and not allow it to happen in the future.

The tree will recover or not depending on how bad the dry out was or how bad the staying too wet was.Time will tell.

If you think it is root rot then that can be treated with something from a plant nursery.

You will soon have hotter weather and should guard against dry outs and maybe keep in partial but not heavy shade.

Cheers,

Grant

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 12:30 pm
by Bones6966
Grant Bowie wrote:OK, well the 2 usual suspects are a dry out; or the opposite and staying too wet. If it is spaghnum moss around the roots and/or the roots on the surface then it could have stayed too wet over a month and is now showing damage. Root rot can set in and it s the foliage that shows the damage.

If it was a dry out then you may be able to identify when that was and why; and not allow it to happen in the future.

The tree will recover or not depending on how bad the dry out was or how bad the staying too wet was.Time will tell.

If you think it is root rot then that can be treated with something from a plant nursery.

You will soon have hotter weather and should guard against dry outs and maybe keep in partial but not heavy shade.

Cheers,

Grant
Thanks i will,rwmove the moss and try to keep it safe. The roots under the moss dont look or smell bad. Im not too sire what im looking at but ill do my best.

Re: Noob to Bonsia -Browning needles

Posted: June 5th, 2015, 1:02 pm
by Jarad
Bones6966 wrote: Thanks i will,rwmove the moss and try to keep it safe. The roots under the moss dont look or smell bad. Im not too sire what im looking at but ill do my best.
Under the soil you want to see lots of fine white roots.

Check out this:
https://www.ausbonsai.com.au/wiki/index. ... oot_system

When they are all brown, that's when its bad.

The more photos you put up showing what you're look at, the better people can see what's going on.

Good luck! :fc: