AusBonsai

ive been after an ilex serrata for quite some time. i was woundering if anyone has one of any size or shape which they are willing to sell, take cuttings from, or sell seeds etc.
kind regards jarryd

You really need two for them to fruit well... a male and a female... which makes finding a pair even harder... Ive been looking for a while......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_verticillata

The American version might be more easy to source but i am not sure....

thanks jow, ill look into it

Ilex Serrata seems to be a wonderful species for bonsai plenty appear in books and magazines looking spectacular with their fruit on bare winter branches. It is sometimes called the Japanese winterberry. Sadly I have not seen any in shows.
About a year ago I purchased one at the BSV sale day, female I was told. It needs time but should make a nice tree.
As a bonus there were four cuttings around the edge of the pot.
I made it known that I wanted a male (how you can tell has me beat) and was rewarded with one 8 weeks ago. I have not seen flowers on either but it seems that I have very tiny fruit starting to form (unless they are flowers)
Perhaps I should make it my personal project to propogate lots of cuttings.
Gerard

the ilex shown in the pictures is different from what i have seen in the nurseries here. they are common stock at one of my local standard nurseries. they sell for $8 each and exhibit a lot smaller shinier leaf. similar shape but would be les than half that size, probly apporx. 10mm long x 5mm wide. i have thought about getting one for a while but as they are starters it hasnt really taken my fancy. not sure on their growth rate though.
the starters had lack of movement, they would be fine for a formal upright as the trunks are dead straight up and down.



regards jamie

Yes Jamie, I have had long discussions with a few people regarding the identification of Ilex Serrata, there seem to be some which are called the same but are certainly not the same. One I have seen is a shiny leaf (non deciduous) variety of Ilex which is I think the typical Christmas Holly, I believe this is not "serrata"
Gerard

the ilex serata i have seen didnt have the tree or four spines on the leaves either. it had a common name of pencil holly, which made me start to think that it wasnt serata. i was pretty sure i had a christmas holly at one point and it lost its leaves and then died, i couldnt explain the cause. i got flowers on it then fruit then kaput. dead.
the pencil holly i can get as i said has the small leaves and are a very shiny dark green gloss.
dunno if this helps.

regards jamie

Pencil Holly is Ilex Crenata, this is the one which is most often confused with Ilex Serrata.
pencil holly and google was all I needed to jog my memory

regards Gerard

there ya go, the nursery had the sign and labels wrong then, one way or the other. thanks for the clearing up twosdale

regards jamie

Gerard, if you could get a male and a female plant cutting growing i am happy to pay you and would greatly appreciate it, once you establish which are male or female of course.

kind regards jarryd

English Holly -Ilex Aquifolium (Christmas holly)
Japanese Holly- Ilex Crenata (evergreen)
Japanese Winterberry -Ilex Serrata (deciduous)

I think I got that right

Jarryd, I will do my best.

Regards Gerard

American winterberry - Ilex verticillata

Any success sourcing this?

Ray Nesci has had it

Scott Roxburgh wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2024, 8:46 pm Ray Nesci has had it

I bought most of them, there might be a fresh batch of cuttings but you wont be able to ID it until spring.

Simon