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Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 5:54 pm
by wrcmad
Sitting on my kitchen bench.
Can you translate?
juni2.jpg
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Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 6:09 pm
by TimS
Translation is "Itoigawa", the variety of this juniper, a compact foliaged variety native to the Itoigawa region of Japan. Excellent for shohin size bonsai. Not sure if it is naturally an Itoigawa or if it is grafted Itoigawa foliage from the photo though
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 6:53 pm
by Ryceman3
Ooooohhhh, yep excited you must be, almost as much as I am intrigued! A few more photos would help, that trunk looks like it’s been given some love already - very nice from where I sit!

Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:03 pm
by wrcmad
TimS wrote:Translation is "Itoigawa", the variety of this juniper, a compact foliaged variety native to the Itoigawa region of Japan. Excellent for shohin size bonsai. Not sure if it is naturally an Itoigawa or if it is grafted Itoigawa foliage from the photo though
Winner!
Itoigawa, not grafted... I would assume cutting.
How do I know it is genuine?.....
Sourced from the Ueno Green Club, by me, in person, from the sales table of one of the Japanes pro's.... with a Japanese translator handy.
I plan to grow this on, and start propagating.
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:10 pm
by wrcmad
Ryceman3 wrote:Ooooohhhh, yep excited you must be, almost as much as I am intrigued! A few more photos would help, that trunk looks like it’s been given some love already - very nice from where I sit!

Yes the trunk has been wired - it was from a batch of shohin starters.
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Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:13 pm
by kez
how did you manage to get it here?
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:15 pm
by wrcmad
kez wrote:how did you manage to get it here?
Trade secret.
It took me about 12 months of studying/analysing, but I found a loophole.
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:18 pm
by kez
Nicely done

Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 7:21 pm
by TimS
I was going to say I’m surprised you got it in without mega headaches, I work with Quarantine plant material and it can certainly be a palava
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 8:48 pm
by Matthew
Im extremely suprised without a post sanitary certificate,methyl bromide treatment that is pretty harsh on sone species plus the no soil import so itd usually bare rooted into coconut husk or some inert material all which junipers aint keen on +12 months min in a approved quarantine facility. You certainly found a loop hole then.
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 9:02 pm
by melbrackstone
crikey!
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 20th, 2019, 9:53 pm
by wrcmad
Matthew wrote:Im extremely suprised without a post sanitary certificate,methyl bromide treatment that is pretty harsh on sone species plus the no soil import so itd usually bare rooted into coconut husk or some inert material all which junipers aint keen on +12 months min in a approved quarantine facility. You certainly found a loop hole then.
Yes. None of that was neccessary.
One dictionary definition of "loophole" is "
make arrow slits in (a wall)."
I say no more.

Re: Excited......
Posted: February 21st, 2019, 6:50 am
by MJL
It’s all very mysterious....
and nice stock emerging from the fog ...that hides the hole.... within the wall ...
keep us in the loop....
Ok I’ll stop now.
Bonsai teaches me patience.
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Re: Excited......
Posted: February 21st, 2019, 8:05 am
by TimS
In one way yeah well done on finding a loophole
In another if it came in with no treatments or quarantine at all then well done on compromising Australia’s biosecurity over a single plant that is not wildly dissimilar to what is already available here. All it would take is it having insects or disease and it could spread to local Junipers or beyond. Yeah maybe it seems unlikely but it’s happened before with pines coming in years back unchecked from bonsai sources in Japan and it got into local pine plantations.
Re: Excited......
Posted: February 21st, 2019, 8:27 am
by shibui
In another if it came in with no treatments or quarantine at all then well done on compromising Australia’s biosecurity over a single plant that is not wildly dissimilar to what is already available here. All it would take is it having insects or disease and it could spread to local Junipers or beyond. Yeah maybe it seems unlikely but it’s happened before with pines coming in years back unchecked from bonsai sources in Japan and it got into local pine plantations.
Agree totally Tim

This is exactly the way a number of other pests and diseases - cypress canker and myrtle rust to name just a couple of recent ones - rave arrived and started to decimate our trees.
Even worse, I believe that "Itoigawa" is already here in Australia (hopefully more legally and ethically than this import)
Quarantine is not there just to thwart your ambitions. It is there to protect our plants, animals and industries.