AusBonsai

hi people

this is a sister thread to "which mel. do i choose to dig and how" i got the camera to work and now have some shots of the foliage, trunks i plan on cutting right back and a couple of others i dont have a clue on.

so here they are thats one mel. here is a different one again, slightly longer leaves
heres a tree i got no idea on, pic is a bit blurry, really small oval like leaf but rounds off at the end, grows opposite each other on the stem to the end where they round of to the grow tip.
has seed pods, roughly 5-6 inches long by 1 inch wide.
this one i think is a form of magnolia, it gets flowers when the tree is bare of foliage. leaf is an odd rounded heart shape. if so not sure on how the leaves reduce either. not overly large though.
and last but not least a stump that has a lot of dead area but is a mell of some sort, has foliage like the first one. will need quite a lot of cutting down in size.
thanks in advance to anyone who can id these. i know they are mel. but would like to know what spp. the first and second lot have new buds popping down low so i think that is a good sign they will back bud on older wood


regards jamie

H Jamie,

These specimens are quiet hard to I.D. and perhaps somebody else will have a better idea, but i suggest you look into the following plants:

Melaleuca armillaris (tree 1)
Melaleuca linariifolia (tree 2)
Acacia spp (tree 3)
Bauhinia spp (tree 4)

Tree 3 and possibly tree 4 are in the Fabaceae family (pea family) and you would be able to get a certain I.D. using this website: http://hua.huh.harvard.edu/china/mss/vo ... edited.htm

It could take a while and be quiet complicated. You may need to research some terms. But the I.D. would be correct.

Good luck!

JayC

thanks for the reply jayc, i will take a look into the trees you mentioned

appreciate that

jamie

BINGO!!! tree four has been identified thanks to jayc.

Bauhinia. i am interested how these back bu8d and how they would go with reuction in leaf size? anyone worked with these???

thanks jamie

Edit- tree 3 has a hit aswell, it is an acacia of some form. any info regarding this one as well would be great!

jamie

Jamie I would go armillaris, This species dose have some variable forms. One concern it appears to be too far north for it.
As I said there are variations and self sown hybrids.
Have the leaves got a small hook like appearance on the end. The texture of the bark is not alternifolia.

It is also possible that it is a variation of bracteata, the bark also fits but the foliage is not right, but as I said could be one of the many variations.

That is the one thing about Melaleuca's just when you think you have it pegged there is another possiblity.

Cheers Pup

If the one you have labelled noidea.jpg isn't an Acacia sp. then it could be a Gleditsia sp. of some sort... do you know if it is deciduous? does it have thorns?
They are trying to get rid of them along the rivers here, maybe that means they would grow well as bonsai, although I have heard of problems with some compound leaf species on this forum somewhere..

Pup wrote:Jamie I would go armillaris, This species dose have some variable forms. One concern it appears to be too far north for it.
As I said there are variations and self sown hybrids.
Have the leaves got a small hook like appearance on the end. The texture of the bark is not alternifolia.

It is also possible that it is a variation of bracteata, the bark also fits but the foliage is not right, but as I said could be one of the many variations.

That is the one thing about Melaleuca's just when you think you have it pegged there is another possiblity.

Cheers Pup

pup pic mel. and others 003 leaf picture with the two trunks under it which is this one
has the little spike like hooks on the end of the leaves. i am 350 km north of brisbane on the coast basically if that helps.

this one
the leaf is about 25-30mm long but narrow at no more than 5mm wide on any given leaf.

oh, and the stump with the foliage growing only on the left hand side, is the same leaf as this one too

bonscythe wrote:If the one you have labelled noidea.jpg isn't an Acacia sp. then it could be a Gleditsia sp. of some sort... do you know if it is deciduous? does it have thorns?
They are trying to get rid of them along the rivers here, maybe that means they would grow well as bonsai, although I have heard of problems with some compound leaf species on this forum somewhere..

as for deciduous cant be certain on it, it has got the leaf structure of acacia. and it has no thorns at all.

thanks for the replys. look forward to further clarification

jamie

first one is Armillaris second is a possible alternifolia.

If it has paprebark then it could be a variation of Linarifolia.

Cheers Pup

Pup wrote:first one is Armillaris second is a possible alternifolia.

If it has paprebark then it could be a variation of Linarifolia.

Cheers Pup

ok, thats a definate for the armillaris. the second one has more of a fissured, hard bark, its not like the paperbark that tears of in "sheets". so i would have to guess its not a variation of linarifolia.

ok, next question, how well do these guys back bud? and i take it they can be quite quick to do that after chops?

jamie

ok, this is directed at those with mel. armillaris knowledge

how well do they back bud in the ground ???

and would you trench around the tree a few months before you dig them?

do they have tap roots and if so are they large?

thanks.

jamie

just a quick update the mel. armalarris i cut down to stumps on the 8th of november, i had a check today while giving them a good water, they are still in the ground but mate, they are back budding all over the place
every branch i wanted to backbud plus all the way down the trunk and on the crown etc. and thats on both

cant be happier there


jamie

Jamie, looks like youve had a win.
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buddaboy wrote:Jamie, looks like youve had a win.
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spot on there mate i think i might even trench around them either through the week or next weekend, then let em go for a while in the ground to get the growth nice and strong, they will probly stay in the ground while i am styling them, to a degree anyway. no point having a sweetly style tree in the ground to lift it later on then have it die on me i dont think that will happen though, heres hoping any ways


jamie


edit- if ya interested and they both survive, i will be quite happy to send ya one up

Mate your not that far away as the ute flies. Ive got to post some pics of the scrubby little trees all over the place up here to see what they are.
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buddaboy wrote:Mate your not that far away as the ute flies. Ive got to post some pics of the scrubby little trees all over the place up here to see what they are.
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true its just i rarely ever go north, and if i do its no further than bundaberg and thats only a rare occasion you might have a whole heap of these ones up there anyways


jamie