AusBonsai

hey guys

i have been thinking about removing the top off my juni in my avatar via air layer and have now had success with a couple of other layers on other trees, my question is has anyone used honey for a rooting hormone on juniper squamata? if so how was the success?
what would you use/have used with success for juniper squamata layers?

i believe taking the top off will make the tree more appealing and i would like to keep the top for a small shohin in development as it has some nice movement in it, not sure what i will do with it yet but would like to work on it

jamie

I've used honey on Shore Juniper cuttings and a range of deciduous cuttings with success. I’ve now given up other cutting treatments in favor of honey.

Have only used it when layering deciduous plants - wisterias, roses, so don’t know how it will go on your juniper, but with the cutting success it looks possible.

I’d be interested to see the process and hear how you go as I’m thinking of trying layering on an abies (world’s ugliest graft needs to be eliminated).

Best of luck,
Jan

well thats one vote for honey, i have even been thinking about using a mix of honey and the powder or gel, i cant see it hurting, i have had success with the powder but have heard gel is easier to apply, i havent had experience with it myself.

jan, as for the process of it i will be quite happy to take photos and post a "how to" sort of guide.

jamie

Well honey as rooting hormone - must be a sweet method No, I haven't tried yet but would love to know the outcome. Jamie, could you show some pics of your avarta in present stage?
DK

hey i know they use it alot as cut paste on junipers overseas so it cant kill it

could you post some pics of that tree on different angles i have a very similar one from tess that started huge now its about 250mm

Pups the gun with this stuff I am sure he will chime in. I thought it was more of a sterilizer than a root stimulator. I would think it would not be as useful in airlayer as it would cuttings. I think spag moss would do much teh same job.
I am looking forward to what Pup has to say?

Bretts wrote:Pups the gun with this stuff I am sure he will chime in. I thought it was more of a sterilizer than a root stimulator. I would think it would not be as useful in airlayer as it would cuttings. I think spag moss would do much teh same job.
I am looking forward to what Pup has to say?

Honey as used for cuttings is mainly to stop fungus. Honey is an anti bacterial. It is benificial in that it stops fungus and also what they call browning off in young growth.

I have used it for years as an aid in striking cuttings never on air layer's. I recomended that they use it in, I think it was Sweden as they cannot get hormone powder or gels.

I would say mixed with striking gel, or powder would be a bit of overkill. It might not make any difference. Having not tried it. I cannot say with any conviction one way or tother.

Cheers Pup

hmmm, i knew it was a good anti bacterial medium but thought it had some form of striking properties too ohwell i guess its of to the local b%$^^@#ngs to get some hormone powder/gel, what would you recommend pup? i have heard that the gel is easier to use but there are three different kinds, one for soft wood, one medium and one hard??? i presume i would have to use the medium to hard gel for this? whether or not it makes a difference i dont know, i have only used the powder.

dayne wrote:could you post some pics of that tree on different angles i have a very similar one from tess that started huge now its about 250mm

i will give ya the link to the progression here- viewtopic.php?f=104&t=2284&p=26420&hili ... ide#p26420

as this was only styled about 2-3 months ago there isnt to much difference but i have had a minor tweak here or there when watering ive looked at it and though a couple of millimetres over that way it needs to be and done it, i will do some update shots of this tomorrow from all angles for ya though dayne and DK

Jan wrote:I've used honey on Shore Juniper cuttings and a range of deciduous cuttings with success. I’ve now given up other cutting treatments in favor of honey.

Have only used it when layering deciduous plants - wisterias, roses, so don’t know how it will go on your juniper, but with the cutting success it looks possible.

I’d be interested to see the process and hear how you go as I’m thinking of trying layering on an abies (world’s ugliest graft needs to be eliminated).

Best of luck,
Jan

jam i will do a progression of the stages i take for layering the top off this one


jamie

Jamie I use Gel and the hardwood one. I find the gel easier to use. As you can paint it on with no waste.

Pup cheers

The gel I have I compared the auxin % to the powders and found it at medium level. I always thought there was only one gel strength readily available?

Bretts wrote:The gel I have I compared the auxin % to the powders and found it at medium level. I always thought there was only one gel strength readily available?

i think i will be going the gel due to easier application, but yes brett there is 3 sorts, soft wood, a medium grade and hardwood, i presume they have different levels of the rooting hormone which i take is the auxin you are talking of

i will post tomorrow my results and comparisons to what the differences in the gels are

jamie

I dont think so Jamie. The gels i have seen use I.B.A. (indole butyric acid) and N.A.A. (naphthalene acetic acid).

JayC

JayC wrote:I dont think so Jamie. The gels i have seen use I.B.A. (indole butyric acid) and N.A.A. (naphthalene acetic acid).

JayC

ahh ok, well there ya go mate, i dont know thats why i have asked, i havent used the gel before only the powder, and i couldnt even tell ya what the active ingredient in that is but it has worked on my other layers, so if the gel is easier to apply i think i can give that a go because i had a shocking time trying to get the powder on it

jamie

Jamie, The gel is a lot easier to use for us fumble fingers. I found it very handy with my Bougie stump last year.