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Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
by treeman
After quite a few years wrestling with this tree I'm finally starting to get that authentic cedar look. I've got their measure now - I think
A few more years.........
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For anyone thinking about cedars, remember that they can even have multiple vertical trunks and even the main branches can be vertical so long as you get the branching from them and apex right. You can also play around with more than one apex as in the last pic.
It's true that humans can't make real branches. Only trees can. But hopefully we can get close....
I hope at least that now we will stop trying to force the majestic cedar to be a Japanese pine tree.
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Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 5:31 pm
by Matt S
I was standing under one of these last weekend in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens. I spent ages lying under it looking up at the sweeping branches. I reckon you’ve captured it well too.
Matt.
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 6:12 pm
by MJL
Mike - can't help myself but to crash into your thread with a more clumsy tree. I have posted this tree before ... and had to go and take a photo just then in the dark under lights. Note to self... keep the horizontal planes and flat top ... I am in danger of rounding it out too much. (To be sure - not a tree that I grew and cannot take credit for it - rather it is one that is now in my collection and care; I'll try not to f it up.)
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Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 6:49 pm
by treeman
MJL wrote: ↑May 5th, 2020, 6:12 pm
Mike - can't help myself but to crash into your thread with a more clumsy tree. I have posted this tree before ... and had to go and take a photo just then in the dark under lights. Note to self... keep the horizontal planes and flat top ... I am in danger of rounding it out too much. (To be sure - not a tree that I grew and cannot take credit for it - rather it is one that is now in my collection and care; I'll try not to f it up.)
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double post....
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 6:50 pm
by treeman
MJL wrote: ↑May 5th, 2020, 6:12 pm
Mike - can't help myself but to crash into your thread with a more clumsy tree. I have posted this tree before ... and had to go and take a photo just then in the dark under lights. Note to self... keep the horizontal planes and flat top ... I am in danger of rounding it out too much. (To be sure - not a tree that I grew and cannot take credit for it - rather it is one that is now in my collection and care; I'll try not to f it up.)
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It's already starting to spread at the top. Just let it do it's thing and don't let it go up anymore.
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 6:58 pm
by PWC
treeman wrote: ↑May 5th, 2020, 5:17 pm
After quite a few years wrestling with this tree I'm finally starting to get that authentic cedar look. I've got their measure now - I think
A few more years.........
P1130709 - Copy.JPG
cedarsea.JPG
For anyone thinking about cedars, remember that they can even have multiple vertical trunks and even the main branches can be vertical so long as you get the branching from them and apex right. You can also play around with more than one apex as in the last pic.
It's true that humans can't make real branches. Only trees can. But hopefully we can get close....
I hope at least that now we will stop trying to force the majestic cedar to be a Japanese pine tree.
cedarab.JPG
cedrus bev2.GIF
The apex certainly looks the goods, well done. it can only improve from here,look forward to seeing this one develop.
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 7:18 pm
by Daluke
Do you find growth is more vigorous when styling more “naturally” as opposed to “artificially”?
Natural - tree is encouraged to grow in its natural form.
Artificial - tree is contorted into something nature didn’t intend.
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 9:21 pm
by Keep Calm and Ramify
Nice job. It does look authentic. Appreciate seeing the tight foliage work...naturally
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 10:14 pm
by treeman
Daluke wrote: ↑May 5th, 2020, 7:18 pm
Do you find growth is more vigorous when styling more “naturally” as opposed to “artificially”?
Natural - tree is encouraged to grow in its natural form.
Artificial - tree is contorted into something nature didn’t intend.
That's an interesting question. I think the answer is probably no unless by styling ''artificially'' you mean it is fully wired more often than just letting it grow and cutting back here and there and not using wire on every single branch every year. But I don't think there's too much difference in the trees vigour. Once the branch is ''set'' in place, the vigour soon returns if you let it grow again. If you constantly pinch it will weaken the tree but that might be desirable. I think I read somewhere that in Japan they give some trees a year off every few years, especially junipers. I did that with one of mine last year - just fed and watered and didn't touch anything - and it reacted very well.
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 5th, 2020, 10:56 pm
by terryb
Matt S wrote: ↑May 5th, 2020, 5:31 pm
I was standing under one of these last weekend in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens. I spent ages lying under it looking up at the sweeping branches. I reckon you’ve captured it well too.
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This one? It was hard to get all of it in shot.
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I really liked the layered foliage pads on the low branches
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 6th, 2020, 1:18 pm
by SquatJar
I've sat under that Deodar a few times as well. Photos don't seem to capture its magical spread, once you step underneath its like you're in another place
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 6th, 2020, 1:39 pm
by treeman
I have an old book on trees where the author was lamenting the fact that many Europeans - who regard cedars with awe - were planting them in their little front gardens. He writes... ''Massive spread is their very essence''
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 6th, 2020, 7:16 pm
by Jake fowler
How tall is this roughly Mike? It looks great, very natural!
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 7th, 2020, 12:42 pm
by treeman
Jake fowler wrote: ↑May 6th, 2020, 7:16 pm
How tall is this roughly Mike? It looks great, very natural!
probably 60cm or so?
Re: Cedar
Posted: May 7th, 2020, 12:59 pm
by treeman
This is possibly the only Japanese trained true cedar in existence. Certainly the only one I've ever seen.
From an old album (70's?) I.5 metres high. Probably from the Imperial house collection.
Very cedar like I think you'll agree.
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