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ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 7th, 2010, 2:57 pm
by anttal63
FINALLY FOUND SOME!!!
I have 3 here that i guess to be 2 year olds. 3 at the most. I will start with what i think is the most difficult. One on the right for its reverse taper. I will heavily wire the trunk to try and get a tad more bend in that first kink. 2 wraps of 4mm should do it. A 2mm wire for the new leader to flow through the movement. Down at the base where the reverse taper occurs, i will choke it with the 4mm wire's so as to swell the reverse out. Here i will also show you how to cull the roots, in order to form a kick arse nebari later! I cut half the root ball off and then use my tradie's scribe to comb out and seperate the roots. I dont use chop sticks any more. YEP you heard right! For the kind of root work i do, they tend to bruise crush and break way too many roots for my liking. My scribe is fine , pointy and sharp. yes it can scratch and pierce all of what encourages more root ramification. Not the norm that we are taught, is it now. Once root ball is sorted and i can see in there,I then cut the double taps off, only to leave the roots in the highest position possible. This will 1) create a more radial root spread and 2) help pull the reverse taper out from the bottom end. Then planted into a short but wider pot on a leaning angle to set up a very sexy trunk line. The mix is open; equal parts diatamite medium, aussie potting mix and scoria 5-7mm, sitting on a drainge layer of Diatamite large. Sponge??? :roll: NO NO NO dont use a sponge :lol: :lol: :lol: Just kidding. Just for good measure a good fist full of better grow fert pellets have been sprinkled at various layers. The tree has gone into my post trauma area and will be flooded ( watered morning and evening) for the first few days and then depending what weather is doing. if cooling back off to once a day or if warmer continue for up to a week or so.The tree is now ready to grow on. Next year the roots will get a tease and spread again and then placed in a poly box for a 2 year stint... till then my friends ;) :D 8-) :lol: :twisted:

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Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 7th, 2010, 3:25 pm
by Chris
Thanks ant for the post very interesting. I'm still amazed at the way we can cut bend and shape rip at there roots and bingo they love you :D

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 7th, 2010, 3:31 pm
by anttal63
Chris wrote:Thanks ant for the post very interesting. I'm still amazed at the way we can cut bend and shape rip at there roots and bingo they love you :D


THATS WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT !!!

The pleasure was mine Chris! The best is yet to come. :D ;) 8-)

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 10:50 am
by anttal63
OK while i'm at it, i'm gonna run this tube stock 1yr old side by side with this one. The biggest difference here is the tube stock has a single tap root and is more pliable for bending. Roots again the same treatment, tap off to highest point where we have a few roots circulating. The choke method is on again. Something that wasnt mentioned earlier and i must say i'm surprised the cosmeticians didn't pick up on it. :o The choke will also promote more root output. A bit like layering when ya not layering so to speak. So chances are if you have the choke buried you will get more roots below and above. Giving you more choices for your nebari or more chance to iron out the reverse taper. Having said all that, the nebari is now a no brainer! 8-) The most significant advantage with this tube stock is the first 100mm of movement! The rest i dont give 2 hoots about right now. A new leader will be chosen and chopped back to in future. 1 wrap of 2mm wire and i use a small bent pointy nose plier to grip the coil prior, while i wrap the next, so as to not damage and strees this little fella more than need be. Again my scribe comes in handy! Especially when i wire cassa's and pines it helps me take needles out of harms way. ;) Best 10 bucks i ever spent on bonsai. The size pot i am using is relevent to the size of the material. I want to water and feed freely without drowning or getting caught up. So once again i work with a drainage layer ;) , mound up my soil again with my scribe to help me splay the roots out before i bury. Yes more pellets in the layers. And E' cu avisto ce' bella! Go and find this kind of snakin movement in the first 100mm of advanced stock :arrow: I tell ya now; far and few between! Once again my dear friends i look forward to chewin this one with ya in a few years. :lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted:

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Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 2:28 pm
by craigw60
Nice work Ant, I am going to hit the wholesalers soon and pick up a few more of these trees your root work on them has inspired me to want more
Craig

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 3:35 pm
by anttal63
Your next generation of trees has inspired me! Your knowledge, experience and logic together with the proof in the pudding, is a breath of fresh air. I thank you Craig for the inspirations. :D 8-)

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 10:22 pm
by alpineart
Rip into em thats the go , i collected a few last Winter literally pulled up out of the ground as root cuttings and last week they had a hair cut . Maybe i should have sent them to the Barber ;) . Cheers

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 10:28 pm
by anttal63
alpineart wrote:Rip into em thats the go , i collected a few last Winter literally pulled up out of the ground as root cuttings and last week they had a hair cut . Maybe i should have sent them to the Barber ;) . Cheers

You never cease to amaze me alpine. you are like a blue arse fly. never keep still. You must have more trees than me, that means you are sicker than me. Fully sick! :P :lol: ps. 8-) show us what ya pulled up!

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 10:50 pm
by bundyfisher
Nice work Ant :D :D There is volumes to be said for extreme and radical work to be done now for massive returns later ,looking forward for pinnacle perfect results .I also like Alpine ripped one of the Cassaurina out of the ground and is sitting in a pot of diatomite which is in a bucket which also has been full of water (even after constant emptying)the tree is growing well don't think it is a Torulosa though.
Cheers :D
Tony

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 10:55 pm
by Jamie
i did the same with mine we got that day tony and it carked it in bout 4 days. i just think they dont like me, might have to start from tube stock i reckon, see if i can kill em that way :roll: :lol: :P

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 8th, 2010, 11:00 pm
by bundyfisher
Jamie just grab more ,would like to find out what sort definately not shy of saltwater

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 6:05 am
by anttal63
bundyfisher wrote:Nice work Ant :D :D There is volumes to be said for extreme and radical work to be done now for massive returns later ,looking forward for pinnacle perfect results .I also like Alpine ripped one of the Cassaurina out of the ground and is sitting in a pot of diatomite which is in a bucket which also has been full of water (even after constant emptying)the tree is growing well don't think it is a Torulosa though.
Cheers :D Tony
Thanks Tone, pinnacle perfect i duuno, kick arse for sure! Alpine's using the flood method! :lol: He da man! ;)

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 6:07 am
by anttal63
Jamie wrote:i did the same with mine we got that day tony and it carked it in bout 4 days. i just think they dont like me, might have to start from tube stock i reckon, see if i can kill em that way :roll: :lol: :P
Its too hot up there and your too soft onm! :lol: :P :lol:

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 6:21 am
by alpineart
anttal63 wrote:
bundyfisher wrote:Nice work Ant :D :D There is volumes to be said for extreme and radical work to be done now for massive returns later ,looking forward for pinnacle perfect results .I also like Alpine ripped one of the Cassaurina out of the ground and is sitting in a pot of diatomite which is in a bucket which also has been full of water (even after constant emptying)the tree is growing well don't think it is a Torulosa though.
Cheers :D Tony
Thanks Tone, pinnacle perfect i duuno, kick arse for sure! Alpine's using the flood method! :lol: He da man! ;)
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As i said these were pulled up out of the ground as root suckers/cuttings with no care at all . Collected about 100 and 60 made it through my madness again with no care at all .Cheers

Re: ALLOCASSUARINA TORULOSA FROM SCRATCH

Posted: March 9th, 2010, 8:31 am
by anttal63
Well done Alpine. Are they torulosa or literallis or swampie's? $$$ chi ching in future! And some ripps to keep for yaself! ;) :D 8-)