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From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 7:41 am
by kvan64
I was given this weird elm sometime ago (Oct 2009), posted it up here and created curiosity. I have taken it out of the pot to investigate and jamie was right, it's a sucker :)
It's amazing how fast it grew in half a year. The trunk and folliage have almost doubled in size. I had a play with wiring and finally decided to go with a full cascade.
Here is its transformation:

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 7:42 am
by Glenda
kvan64 wrote:I was given this weird elm sometime ago (Oct 2009), posted it up here and created curiosity. I have taken it out of the pot to investigate and jamie was right, it's a sucker :)
It's amazing how fast it grew in half a year. The trunk and folliage have almost doubled in size. I had a play with wiring and finally decided to go with a full cascade.
Here is its transformation:
How can you tell it is a sucker?

Glenda

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 7:49 am
by MelaQuin
Good start. Here's some further inspiration [for the tree, not the photography]. This was the odd tree out in a group setting, still young enough to seriously bend. I've been working with it for four or five years. I had it direct from the pot but thought that rather flat so stuck it over a rock. The rock sits just on the soil surface held firmly in place but two wire prongs with their base curving around the pot bottom.
Elm cascade 2010-01.jpg

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 7:51 am
by kvan64
Because it looked like it shot out from the dead root system of the parent plant.
Cheers

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 7:55 am
by kvan64
MelaQuin wrote:Good start. Here's some further inspiration [for the tree, not the photography]. This was the odd tree out in a group setting, still young enough to seriously bend. I've been working with it for four or five years. I had it direct from the pot but thought that rather flat so stuck it over a rock. The rock sits just on the soil surface held firmly in place but two wire prongs with their base curving around the pot bottom.
Very nice Mel. Could you please post a couple more photos that show the side view and back view?

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 9:59 am
by Jamie
woooooooohoooooooooo!!! what did i win :P :P :D

nah all good :D there was no way it could of been anything else as far as i thought anyways :D i think your doing a cracking job with it to DK thats going to be nice and they power on up here too! get it in a grow box if you can and it will go a lot faster than it has already :D ;)

nice cascade to mela! thats coming up well and would like to see a few more shots too :D

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 6:09 pm
by MelaQuin
I'll do the elm properly tomorrow as it is too dark now. It has been several times suggested that I slightly modify the design to show the back as the roots run down gullies in the rock but I prefer the front view.

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 2nd, 2010, 10:42 pm
by AndrewM
Thats coming along really nice :D .

I gave a chinese elm that i have in a grow box a heavy trim three weeks ago and its powered on fast new growth all over. So you shouldn't have a problem getting new growth fast in QLD.

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 10:41 am
by kvan64
AndrewM wrote:Thats coming along really nice :D .

I gave a chinese elm that i have in a grow box a heavy trim three weeks ago and its powered on fast new growth all over. So you shouldn't have a problem getting new growth fast in QLD.
That's good news Andrew.
MelaQuin wrote:I'll do the elm properly tomorrow as it is too dark now. It has been several times suggested that I slightly modify the design to show the back as the roots run down gullies in the rock but I prefer the front view.
Thanks for that Mel. Please keep updates for this elm.
Jamie wrote:woooooooohoooooooooo!!! what did i win :P :P :D

nah all good :D there was no way it could of been anything else as far as i thought anyways :D i think your doing a cracking job with it to DK thats going to be nice and they power on up here too! get it in a grow box if you can and it will go a lot faster than it has already :D ;)

nice cascade to mela! thats coming up well and would like to see a few more shots too :D
You won...gratitude jamie :) and Ay ay captain, it will be in the grow box. The white storm water tubing will go in the grow box with it as I want to fuse/train some ot the big long roots into trunk. There are 3 really big roots that each is twice as big as the trunk itself.

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 10:58 am
by Jamie
interesting mate :D im wondering if yo could train them to be root over rock maybe? that with a cascade tree would look awesome ;) i know tess at morayfield nursery has some nice interesting rocks for reasonable prices too :D

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 11:08 am
by kvan64
Jamie wrote:interesting mate :D im wondering if yo could train them to be root over rock maybe? that with a cascade tree would look awesome ;) i know tess at morayfield nursery has some nice interesting rocks for reasonable prices too :D
You're reading my mind mate, heading that way right now. Was just reading the street directory as my GPS is playing up.
Cheers

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 11:28 am
by Jamie
no probs mate, its easy to get to, go down buchanan road and the devine court is on the right, best way is to get to it from the highway :D

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 7:26 pm
by kvan64
It looks like I am going to give root over rock a go after viewing Mel's full cascade elm. The problem with this elm is it has 3 big and long roots that all are bigger then the trunk itself. Will they wrap nicely to the rock? Is there any paticular technique to solve this in this case?

Re: From an Abstract Elm to attempting at an Elm Cascade

Posted: April 3rd, 2010, 7:37 pm
by Jamie
you shouldnt have to much problem getting them to the rock mate, just use the standard methods to get them onto the rock, try and get them in place to complement the tree. you will find that the roots will slow down in grow once exposed to the elements anyways :D