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fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 1:20 pm
by Jamie
gday crew!

some of you may know I have recently moved into a new house. out the back was a garden bed that was pretty much over grown and a snake pit basically. so got some family around and got it torn out, there was a couple of juni that are amazing. they are rather large, one is around 90mm across dia. the other not much smaller.

heres a couple of pics :D
juni trunk1.jpg
juni 1 is procumbens I beleive. other wise it could be sqaumata.
juni trunk2.jpg
juni 2 is a shore juniper, I wish it was procumbens for the foliage but I will probably graft in a lot of procumbens or shimpaku depending what I can get. I would keep it as shore juniper but the foliage is quite difficult to work with as in getting pads on them look rather messy.
juni popping all over.jpg
as I said, fortune favours the brave !

I had some concern in completly removing all the foliage, but what it had was no good, all the inner growth was dead due to no sunlight. luckily I have had some success in getting them to pop. once they a lot of foliage on them I will air layer the shore juni as it has some great movement in it, the procumbens has a great section to layer aswell.
I know these trees are rather large and more than I could handle so it will be my cousin doing the digging. I really look forward to working with these airlayers once I have them off and growing!
I am tempted to put the air layers on now , but am sure if I do they would die. even if they dont survive I will have some great deadwood to work with to graft some whips onto!

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 1:27 pm
by nealweb
Whooooa amazing looking trunks! Look at the veins in that second one :o
Take your time, get 'em really healthy then layer them off and you could get some amazing material.
I didn't think of grafting different species onto juni's, with sections of that trunk and some nice shimpaku foliage and good nebari from a graft...you could get something special indeed :fc: :tu2: :tu: :clap: :hooray:

'onya Jamie, good luck with it :D

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 4:03 pm
by roka
:cool: They are fantastic champ.You shold have some fun with those. Im glad something good has finally come your way, you deserve it! :2c: do you think you can dig them out whole and put em in a huge pot, :?: or are they just way too big, hard to judge by photo.

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 4:41 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
WOW! What a find!

I have book marked this topic Jamie. I am sure you can turn it into something beautiful.

Best of luck with these findings.

Best regards.

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 5:40 pm
by Jamie
gday :D

cheers boys, it was a nice surprise to find them. way to big for what I like, but in saying that like I said I can layer. there is a couple of sections that will be corkers. the shore juni would make a killer literati even after I layer the section I want off, which would be a finished height of around 30-40cm. any bigger and it gets hard for me.

plan is to water well, feed and get some strength, they have gone through a fair bit getting a trunk chop which is something that is not common. I have only heard of lindsay doing it with success. so I guess Im lucky there :D

and yea both can be dug. one is a little close to the rock work that has been cemented in, but should be accessable :D will wait for a little longer so they have some extension growth on it, then I know it will be reasonably strong :D

see what happens come spring, are temps are warming up and I am hoping this will bring a strong flush of growth and then they can come out mid summer with any luck :D

jamie :D

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 5:44 pm
by kcpoole
Jeez Jamie!
They are far to big for you and your crook back. I think you should let me take the off your hands :lol: :lol:

Awesome trees :yes:

Ken

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 5:53 pm
by Jamie
kcpoole wrote:Jeez Jamie!
They are far to big for you and your crook back. I think you should let me take the off your hands :lol: :lol:

Awesome trees :yes:

Ken
to right there champ! thats why I plan to layer of a couple of sections! if they survive the dig, which Im unsure as to layer before I get them dug.. or wait to get them out then consider the layer.

Im sure we can work something out if your interested to do a trade for one of them, ofcourse they need to survive first. I would feel terrible if I got them out,sent one away and end up hearing it had died!!

jamie :D

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 5:55 pm
by alpineart
Hi Jamie nice trunks , but with a bad back you need to invite me up to dig them out and remove them from under your feet .Might take a while to layer with no foliage on them .. Cheers Alpine

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 6:01 pm
by Jamie
hehehe, seen this coming, everyone wants a piece :lol: :lol: :lol:

will be getting my cousin to do the heavy work. layering is easy on the back :D I will more than likely once I get the layers off (which as you have said will take some time without the foliage) I will more than likely be happy to trade whats left over. juni 2 has the most potential in the trunk after the layer. juni one is a little less favourable. I will get some other pics tomorrow to show other angles :D

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 6:19 pm
by Jamie
here is a quick idea of the trunk lines.
juni trunk1 line.jpg
juni trunk2 layer and chop.jpg
basically air layer is red. yellow is chop. blue is trunk line, purple would be a second option :D

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 8:02 pm
by daiviet_nguyen
Hi Jamie,

I do not have any experience with yamadori juniper. But as you have said, my priority would be to ensure its health on the ground, get some foliage out and etc.

I am completely taken by the twisted trunk line. My heart did sink a little bit when you propose layering. Since your cousin is good enough to do some of the work for you, I hope your cousin can dig it out for you as well :) when the time is right. Then take the next step Jamie?

I remember reading the Master Series (by Stone Lantern, publisher of Bonsai Today) on junipers -- there are several trees of this caliber, and they manage the design as a whole.

Cheers Jamie :aussie:

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 9:30 pm
by Scott Roxburgh
Great trunks mate, but why didn't you graft prior to removing all of the foliage?

Re: fortune favours the brave

Posted: August 6th, 2011, 9:55 pm
by Chris Di Nola
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Thats all I have to say :tu: