Air Layering a Mel...

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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by RevoEvoS » February 13th, 2015, 5:47 pm

Is there a reason with wire over the wood for air layering?

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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Jason » February 13th, 2015, 6:40 pm

RevoEvoS wrote:Is there a reason with wire over the wood for air layering?
In reference to what mate? Do you mean the twist ties that are in the last two pictures?
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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Ryceman3 » February 13th, 2015, 6:46 pm

Hi Revo,
I have closely followed the technique that was suggested by RayM, which involved putting a wire just above the top cut as illustrated. I know he has done extensive research & countless layers so I trust this, my understanding is it helps in the development of roots in a more timely manner and also results in a more even spread of roots around the circumference of the cut... Better nebari!!?! The thickness of the wire is important as is positioning it as closely to the top of the cut as possible.
Like I have said, this is my first layer, so maybe somebody with more experience/knowledge can either correct or second what I have said.
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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by RevoEvoS » February 13th, 2015, 6:50 pm

Jason wrote:
RevoEvoS wrote:Is there a reason with wire over the wood for air layering?
In reference to what mate? Do you mean the twist ties that are in the last two pictures?
after you removed the bark

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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by RevoEvoS » February 13th, 2015, 6:54 pm

Ryceman3 wrote:Hi Revo,
I have closely followed the technique that was suggested by RayM, which involved putting a wire just above the top cut as illustrated. I know he has done extensive research & countless layers so I trust this, my understanding is it helps in the development of roots in a more timely manner and also results in a more even spread of roots around the circumference of the cut... Better nebari!!?! The thickness of the wire is important as is positioning it as closely to the top of the cut as possible.
Like I have said, this is my first layer, so maybe somebody with more experience/knowledge can either correct or second what I have said.
Hope that helps
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I think I understand. Rather than no wire it will grow downwards and with wire it will spread the roots out horizontally when its ready to cut.

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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Ray M » February 14th, 2015, 9:30 am

Hi Ryceman3 and RevoEvoS,

The following is from another post I did concerning the subject of the wire. Creating New Roots
The wire is not there to prevent the layer healing itself. The layer is prevented from healing by two things. The distance the top and bottom cuts are apart and the removal of all the cambium.
So, what does the wire do :?: :?:
First, the wire is not necessary on all species of trees. This idea came about when trying to find a way to deal with trees that tend to callus rather than develop roots. Have a look at the photo below. If you have a close look at where the red arrows are indicating, you will see the beginning of callusing but roots have also developed.
You will notice that the callus has hit the wire and not folded down. In conjunction with this I believe the callus is irritated by the wire helping it to shoot roots.
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Post by Ryceman3 » February 14th, 2015, 7:41 pm

Thanks for the better explanation Ray,
I think the part about the irritation creating roots you mention was what I was trying to say (badly) by explaining the roots appear "in a more timely manner"... I have read that thread with the pics you posted, would have been better to post a reference to it rather than provide my own explanation I think, but glad you did in any case! Much appreciated!
I'm sure I read somewhere the nebari is improved with the wire also, I think it was on the net... But honestly it might've just been trying to say the chance of viable roots (and therefore nebari) is increased with a wire.
In any case, thanks for the clarification. :beer:
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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Ryceman3 » June 8th, 2015, 6:14 pm

Update:
Checked out these layers today as I was down there, saw definitive root progression in 2 of the 3 layers I placed... progress is slow but I think there is progress! Still need to bulk out with more before I consider taking them off, doubt I'll be doing that for a bit - Spring most likely.
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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Elmar » June 8th, 2015, 8:00 pm

Looking very promising Ryce!


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Post by Ryceman3 » June 8th, 2015, 9:49 pm

CoGRedeMptioN wrote:Looking very promising Ryce!


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Post by Rory » June 9th, 2015, 3:37 pm

Yep. Beautiful Mel this one. Good luck with it. Watching with interest too. :tu2:
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Post by Ray M » June 9th, 2015, 5:53 pm

Hi Ryceman3,
Great to see some activity going on with the roots mate. You need to see quite a lot more roots before removing the layers. You mentioned leaving them till Spring. I would agree with you 100%, it is a game of patience.

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Post by Ryceman3 » June 9th, 2015, 9:36 pm

Rory wrote:Yep. Beautiful Mel this one. Good luck with it. Watching with interest too. :tu2:
Ray M wrote:Hi Ryceman3,
Great to see some activity going on with the roots mate. You need to see quite a lot more roots before removing the layers. You mentioned leaving them till Spring. I would agree with you 100%, it is a game of patience.

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Thanks for the encouragement guys, I'm feeling like there is something happening now and that's exciting... But I'll definitely be hanging on until I see more development before they come off.

Should I expect root development to continue at a good rate over the winter period or will it slow down until weather warms up a little do you think? I have no idea, hoping you can fill me in.

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Post by Ray M » June 9th, 2015, 11:52 pm

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I'm feeling like there is something happening now and that's exciting... But I'll definitely be hanging on until I see more development before they come off.

Should I expect root development to continue at a good rate over the winter period or will it slow down until weather warms up a little do you think? Growth will certainly slow over winter. With our Australian native they can have several growing spurts in one year, so just keep your eye on them and see how they go. I have no idea, hoping you can fill me in.

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Re: Air Layering a Mel...

Post by Ryceman3 » September 12th, 2015, 3:17 pm

Another update for those that have watched these layers progress. Checked these out last weekend and 2 of the 3 are still looking good. Lots more root growth since I last investigated (in June) and hopefully enough as the property owner really wants to lop this tree back soon as it is pushing hard on his fence ... I'm hoping another few weeks will be OK with him (just until the weather warms up a little and those roots can get a bit thicker). Any advice on special treatment that might be beneficial when removing mel air layers would be appreciated!

Hopefully the attached pics show the root progression since June.

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